i want to try flying ailerons now. but like everyone, i am facing the same problem,WHICH PLANE? i have seen and heard alot about the E-STARTER for gws. people say that it makes a good aileron trainer,but i want something else.More preferably balsa planes.Is gws zero fighter a possible aileron trainer?

im not sure i would recommend the Zero as a second plane. I flew alot back in high school, but that was 15 years ago. Recently I decided to get back into planes after racing rc cars for so long. I picked up the GWS corsair - figuring my flying skills would return quickly. The plane was very very difficult to fly. Full throttle is almost manditory to keep it in the air, and it had a tendancy to drop a wing fast if it stalled or you took a turn too tight. I eventually picked up a slow stick to help get back my flying skills. I would recommend a high wing for a second plane. if you want something scale, several manufacturers make cubs, cessnas, ect with airlerons.

I've seen some people who've used the Zero as an aileron trainer, but most didn't work well. However there are several good planes that are proven aileron trainers. Some of these are the E-Starter, Dandy Sport, and Sky Scooter.

I myself am a huge fan of GWS mainly cause of expense. Very in-expensive planes, not the greatest construction in the world, but hey you DO get what you pay for, and with simple added steps and pre-cautions the GWS planes are phenominal!

I would recommend a E-Starter to you for your first Aileron plane. BUT if you MUST chose a warbird for a first one the Corsair the the mildest of them all!

I just ordered my second plane and I went with a Dandy Sport by Mountain Models. I did a lot of research before deciding which aileron trainer and that's why I went with the DS. I also like that it is a balsa kit. Do a search on it and read for yourself.

Brian

Add another vote for the Dandy Sport. I also have done a lot of reasearch and watching videos. The more I saw the more comfortable I felt about the DS. I had some questions and e-mailed Doug at Mounbtain Models and found him to be prompt and helpful with his replies. I ordered mine today and can't wait to get going with it! I've been flying an Aerobird Challenger and a GWS fuselage Cub slow flyer. Both are fun, but I want to start doing more.

With the F cub you can do alot of things to it. People have added ailerons to every single model GWS makes!

i find the dandysport a little over powered in the MM video. in this video, it did not show any signs of a good aileron trainer.please correct me if i am wrong.

If i were to get the E-starter, how much power do i need if i want to use a li-po? But i am still not convinced about this!

Well with the E-Starter a stock motor and any ESC of your choice will work great with a 8.4v Li-po I'm running that setup I take off at full power and can fly level with 1/4 throttle. 1/2 throttle - 3/4 is great for turns, and full can get you some interesting acrobatics if you try hard enough!

As to the DS being overpowered from what you see in the video, I can't say. It is indicated that the plane was flown with the throws set to high, so the controls are set for advanced flying. It's also available with a GWS 100 motor. You may want to send them an e-mail an ask about it.

For myself, I like the idea that it's a full 3-axis control plane that I can grow into and do more things rather than use it as a trainer and have to get a new plane when I've hit its limits.

Cheers!

BobbyG

I'm not sure what signs you're looking for.
Stability, excellent slow flight manners, gentle stall (no tip stall), and durability (within reason) are all things tha the Dandy Sport has. Setting up the throws has everything to do with how the plane reacts to inputs.

The Dandy Sport is a good plane and very tame for learning. I am right now building the GT wing for it that I got for Christmas.

I went from Tiger Moth to Funny Park and it was not pretty. Both the TM and and especially the FP were underpowered. It is nice to be able to grab altitude, so I wouldn't knock the power!

Whatever you buy, think real hard about your power system. I struggled more with this than anything on all my planes. Biggest improvements were using KAN 650s and a Pixie 20P on an EPS350-D.

Good Luck!

fine then, looks like i will be going for DS. but i still don't understand what power system to use for aileron training purposes. Can i get a clearer picture of this?

I think you would be happy with an EPS 350-D or C gear and either E-tech 1200 or Thunder power 830 mah batteries if you like Lipo's or the Kan 650's would also work. This would keep your flight time up, while still keeping the plane nice and light. As mentioned before, it's nice to have a little power to get you out of a bad situation, and eventually you will find yourself looking for more power to carry out your aerobatics. You can re-time your 350 motor for more power( a no cost deal) if you feel the need for speed. You'll need some basic tools to build your Dandy Sport and some evenings as well, but I think that building is half the fun of this hobby. You always learn something new.
( www.aeromicro.com ) has a pretty good price on the GWS power systems and the batteries too.

I've found that the recomended power system for the DS is a good choice.

Jason

The Dandy Sport flys fine with a 300c, kan 650... cheap, Pixie 20 and a 1080 prop. Set the throws low and don't use all the throttle.