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Old 09-30-2020, 02:51 AM
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Anything that flies well is beautiful!
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Amen to that!
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Old 01-01-2021, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by flywilly
Agreed. There is nothing to prevent somebody from flying an older design which can still be competitive, especially in the lower classes. I have a 15 year old Astral XX with an OS140 which I can fly the Masters class sequence very respectably (probably competitively - I fly a lot). I don't think there is a pattern design from about 1970 on that I haven't been interested in and found appealing to at least some degree (though the Trigantic was a bit overwhelming when I first saw it).
Hi flywilly . Any idea on where the CG point is location on the Astral XX? I'm running mine with a YS160dz. Huge thanks!
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If you had to pick between one of these three, which would you pick?

1. CK Aero Alchemy Bipe

2. HUI YANG F3A Ascent Biplane

3. AJ Aircraft Proteus 2 Composite Bi-Plane
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Originally Posted by orthobird
If you had to pick between one of these three, which would you pick?

1. CK Aero Alchemy Bipe

2. HUI YANG F3A Ascent Biplane

3. AJ Aircraft Proteus 2 Composite Bi-Plane
Do you have your heart set on one of those three, or are you just looking for a Bipe. For me, I would buy a Divergent, hands down the best available, but you have to be willing to do some finishing work.

How badly do you want a winning airframe??

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no, I am looking for 3 grand range, and a biplane. But I do not want to wait weeks to months to get it. I would like it in 1 to 2 weeks, if possible.
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this is the one I purchased, I should receive it within 2 weeks.



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Old 11-06-2021, 02:15 PM
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I reckon this is a fine looking built for purpose F3a beauty

Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
While I see nothing wrong with the current designs I think that the color schemes have gotten a bit out of hand and are a contributing factor to how some people feel about them. My latest build ( my own design ) utilizes a much less complicated paint scheme that I feel compliments it's shape.

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I can’t comment on the Proteus as I haven’t owner one.

The Ascent has been around for a while and most that I’ve seen fly are more than competent but ridiculously expensive.

I’ve had 3 Alchemy mono planes that are the sweetest flying f3a planes I’ve ever owned. The only mixing I have is the usual vertical down line throttle off tiny bit of down elevator. Bryan’s planes look fabulous and the finish is as good any.

There are also some great assembly threads by Jason Arnold of https://www.precisionaeroproducts.com.au/ that over the Alchemy build and shortly there will be one for the Alchemy Bipe.

I’ve ordered the Alchemy Bipe and look forward to flying it Andre-outing on it soon.

in short, I’m an Alchemy fan
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Yes, I ordered one. Excited to receive my Alchemy Pro.

This is my Proteus Bipe:












this one is my buddies ALchemy Pro, finished/painted by TUNY.



Alchemy Pro
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie
The increased side area helps knife edge flight which includes rolling elements combined with looping elements. The current masters sequence has a figure 8 with full rolls on the top of each loop. That side area really helps maintain the proper arc of the loop while rolling. The smallish looking wings keeps inertia low during rolling maneuvers that will contribute to more accurate point and snap rolls, also helps keep weight in check. The long fixed gear is needed for the larger props we run on electrics. The small wings just behind the canopy ( Canalizer ) of which some designs use dual Canalizers are used to smooth out the airflow ( propwash ) prior to it reaching the tail. This really cuts down on the effects of spiral slipstream and P factor. The result is increased rudder authority. Going with a biplane like I did does the same thing.

After that explanation modern RC pattern desings do not look so ugly to me any more besides, the ugliness or beautifulness of such moving object just shades at 200 ft far.
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I for one am not dissing you but support you 100%! The current fat designs are butt ugly. Hugly! They should also ban T cannalizers. If you want another wing fly a biplane. I love the Brushfire! I had one after I saw Steve Rojecki fly his back in the early 1980s.
I am not drinking the F3A cool-aid. And I flew F3A off and on from 1978 to 2008. I like the Bryan Hebert designs. He still has an eye for beautiful sexy pattern ships.
Do not let the European mafia dictate like they do with F1 cars.
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They look beautiful.
Think back when the planes where all wing... and a stick fuselage. What sort of design principle was that?
Today we can have a fuselage area that is identical to the wing area offering the same amount of lift. A far better, 360deg all round flying platform
Look at the ride Bruckmann is flashing. Yummy!




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Old 12-10-2021, 11:36 AM
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It's simply the result of chasing performance with aesthetics being a secondary concern. I think a lot of comparisons of F3A planes to Formula 1 race cars are valid including appearance. F1 cars are ugly compared to a Lamborghini or Bentley, but you can't argue with the performance. Machines that perform well have their own beauty though. There is a difficult to define beauty to the F3A planes that fly well. It's like the human eye instinctively knows what works.
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Old 12-11-2021, 02:44 PM
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I too find myself at times not adjusting well to our current times. As I age things from my past seem more significant. I have acquired a few kits lately that have a connection with my early years in the hobby. I’m not overly happy with the looks of modern competitive sailplanes but I know that if I want to be competitive I need to level the playing field equipment wise. When it come to negative comments about current pattern airplanes, they always come from guys who currently don’t fly pattern. Those of who grew up flying Kaos, Dirty Birdies, Mach 1, Miss Norway etc like I did still appreciate a classic design but realize that a modern design is needed in order to be competitive today.
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Old 12-12-2021, 01:45 AM
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The planes have evolved with small steps. Anyone who has been involved in pattern and seen this will normally appreciate current designs.
People who have been away see the changes bigger and not always as improvement, at least aesthetically.

Personally the first pattern planes I saw were Atlas and Curare followed by Arrow & Magic and later Saphir etc. I never liked Kaos with bubble canopy glued on top of canopy.
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No David yummy is to eat this super fat and high fuselage is not beautiful. A curare also flew very good knife edge there should be a fuselage height limit just like F1 has all kind of dimensional limits.
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Originally Posted by ini
Anything that flies well is beautiful!
Well.....you do have a good point there.
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Hello
I don't really understand the discussion on the aesthetics of the new planes! If we don't like them; the best is to draw and build your own plane.
My favorite plane after my Harmonie of course is Thomas David's Cold Draft. This plane is sensationally simple and flies very well.
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Hi papaone. Any idea how I could find out more about Thomas David's plane, the "Cold Draft"? Very nice indeed.
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Hello

On GBRCAA and Facebook
very nice guy with a lot of humor
https://www.facebook.com/thomas.david.9809
Cold Draft, 2m Monoplane
Thomas shares his build files
"Just in case anyone fancies building one I've shared all the dxf files ready for cutting here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hOA...ew?usp=sharing"

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Thank you Claude.

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Originally Posted by CXXXV
I was looking to get back into pattern. However, the new designs are just butt ugly.
Is it the look of them stopping you to get back into it??? No one stops you to get back with the classic old, out of date design, try to compeete against the 'ugly butt ones" LOL.
BTW, to CR lovers, just curious, how do you measure RPM's of CR units with hand held meter?
I'm also desperatly shopping for new or S/H "Dualsky XM2203TY-24CR" (discont. produkt) unit for my micro light pattern "DC" scratch build series, anyone or knowledge to get one most wellcomed, TX, Frosty.
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Originally Posted by Freddy
No David yummy is to eat this super fat and high fuselage is not beautiful. A curare also flew very good knife edge there should be a fuselage height limit just like F1 has all kind of dimensional limits.
A Curare canít compete with the current models flying current sequences. At some point guys just have to move past their glory days and live in the present.
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Old 09-12-2022, 03:19 PM
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How do you measure the prop RPMs with counter rotating units in Pattern models? What happens when you point hand held meter agains it??? Just curious?
BTW, persevarence paid off, after some 50 emails I sent all over the planet I got 2 brand new ones I was after, LOL.

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