What's the best 40 size profile for doing really flat flat spins (and even climbing flat spins)? I have a Sledge which I enjoy but it's really a bear to get it to go flat. I want to WOW'EM by going flat nearly to the ground and then makin' her climb back up.

Burrito upright and inverted if there is a easier one I have not flown it yet. I sure like my Burrito.[8D]

I will second the burrito... it goes Flat very easily and will stay there.. I havn't been able to get mine to climb, but it looks like it has the potential to do so.

Randy

Mr3putt, you cannot do both exactly the same. A true flat spin requires the plane to be stalled, the plane cannot be in a true spin and climb. If you will notice that anytime a person gets one to climb it is always more of a tight flying circle and the wings are tilted some. If you are having problems getting your sledge to do both, it goes to one of two things
1 set up is incorrect
2 your thumbs
Do not take that as criticism, it took me a while to figure it out on the sledge but it has its spot and you will find it with persistence. I have found that most guys have too much aileron in the sledge and therefore they go into a spin and it just blows out of it because they want to shove the sticks to the stops. THe sledge must be finessed to find that right stick position and you will see it does both nicely. Best of luck, do not stop trying. If you are ever at a probro I will show you on mine.
Jeff Williams

Thanks for the replies. Jeff: no offense taken - I appreciate the suggestion. I will take out some aileron throw and keep looking for that sweet spot. Also, thanks for the offer to show me how you do it at one of the ProBro meets.

Hopefully we can all make another pro bro soon.
Jeff

I find on some of mine easing off the rudder (and ailerons a bit) will get mine to completely stop and very slowly climb, but like jeff said you basiclly have to get it into a tilted spin to get it to climb

Jeff and SmallFly (Tom) are exactly right. If you look at the movies I have posted on my website of climbing flat spins, you'll see that the aircraft can not be perfectly flat to accomplish a climbing flat spin. Every aircraft wants and needs something different to get it into that perfectly flat - flat spin. I find that if you over cross the ailerons from the flat position, the aircraft will be more apt to climb. Coming out of the rudder will typically allow the tail to drop and perform a Tornado. Once again, you'll find a 'sweet' spot where the aircraft will maintain altitude and even climb, provided that there is enough power on the aircraft. The Sledge is perfectly capable of any of these manuvers. It just takes practice and patience, not necessarily a different aircraft.
Burn that glow fuel!
Kevin