I plan to replace my Laser 3D which I had flown from the moment the kit was avail . It is my winter flying and try any manoever type plane. I would prefer an ARF with non profile fuselage if possible . Engine can be from 46 2c or 70 or 90 4C . Would like a plane that has better 3D potential than the Laser 3D . Recommendations sought . Thanks

Hmmm a fatty......what company is it that does mostly big fattys but has a smaller .40 size Cap232 that is light with a big wing.....?

Here ya go...its not a true .40 size though. This is one Ive been curious about

http://www.bmeaircraft.com/html/capm...capmaniac.html

How about the Hanger 9 Twist or 3D passion. Any comments ? Tks

Your wanting this for serious 3D?

Think of the Twist as a sport plane that will 3D if you have serious thumbs.

Ive never flown the passion who makes it?

I would like this plane as one that I can enjoy flying and doing some 3D aerobatics in between flying Sport scale and Turbine Jets. So I think it does not have to be an all out 3D plane but one that makes it easy for me to perform them when needed.

I found the Passion in Giant Scale Planes http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Passion3D_55.htm

Its hard to easily do 3D with a sport type plane unless you have serious thumbs.

These small .40 size planes do not perform well for 3D unless thats what they were designed to do.

I know where your coming from as I had to learn this the hard way. One of my first *3D* planes was magic extra that quickly bit the dirt when I was low an slow.

Could I 3D the same plane now? Probably an wouldnt mind having another one as they look good ( to me any way ) But for learning it just doesnt happen that easily.

A hardcore 3D plane is what 3Ds easily.....think profile!

Looks like profile it is. Katana GS ?

I like how you think!

If you have a 90 4st Id take a long hard look at the 70 sized one.

The wing planform on it allows it to do pattern style stuff much better then most profile birds. As well as be a killer 3D machine.

I have OS 91 2St & OS 91 4st with pump . Which one to use ?

go with the 4 stroke on the 70 kat.

p.s. 30% heli fuel and u cant go wrong.

Dont get me wrong, I loved (in past tense bc of an unfortunate inverted tail touching incident) my profile. It was amazing. But if you want to stick to your original plans and stay away from a profile design there are a bunch of 3D machines to consider. The Funtana or U Can Do to name a couple. I have a CA Models Funky 40 which I would also highly recomend.

Also, be sure you look at the bigger profiles carefully before you buy. Alot of them dont have a detachable wing and can be tough to carry around if you dont have a trailer.

The Kat 70 actually does have a detachable wing, but Gringo is correct, most do not.

I'd like to see how many of the fattys, or even larger profiles can match the Kat 70. Weights are from the very low, to upper 5 pound range, and that's on a monster wing. Maybe the UCD 60 will have good numbers too, but I'm not sure.

Either 91 will rock the Kat 70.

If you don;t mind a kit, find Paul Swany, and look at a Mojo 60. Razorback has a thread here of his build. It is looking good too.

Well since you said non-profile that takes out many of the preferred 3d machines. One plane you may want to look at as well though is the OMP 65" Yak which now comes in the ARF form. 3D performance will knock your socks off as this plane has widely been proclaimed as the standard for 90 size profiles. It does have removable wings as well. My personal one flies great on the OS .91 even with stock muffler. Once I get off my butt and make a mousse can muffler for it, it should be even better power wise.

There are literally a ton of fatty aerbats out there in this size range including Edges, Extras, and Caps. Check out some of the postings over in the 3d forum and you may find other suggestions as well.

Non profile, and of the size that is most poorly represented in the market, in my opinion... That's why the Yak exploded like it did. Loads of pilots were looking exactly for that. Too many planes in that category really belong elsewhere.

Hype 3D? That's supposed to be a good plane... Kanghke USA has the Cap 232 Sport... I think someone mentioned the World Models one... OK, I think I'm tapped out with that. I've not flown any of the three, but there is sure to be folks here that have.

I'd be looking for a good 90 size Edge 540. Doesn't Lanier have a 90 size Edge fatty? If not I'm sure there are many others out there.

I have seen some threads around here on the Passion 3D from CMP. I have also seen the ARF in real life and it's really very nice. But how it will 3D??? Well that has yet to be seen. I didn't keep track of the threads but a quick search might help. The Hype I have had a quick chance to fool around with and it had the West .50 on it which it was designed around. Nice plane but they didn't have it properly set up for 3D. From what I could figure though it was not going to be as easy to 3D as a profile is. But yes it could have been the setup. There is of course the Harrier 3D which seem to be very popular in the 3D forums in the .90 sized planes but I don't know much about that one either. And of course Kyle showed us what a Funtana .90 can do but heck with hes stick skills I'm sure he will 3D a sopwith camel. LOL

I have been bitten by the profile bug. That once you go flat you'll never go back thing does really seem to be true after all. Maybe for a GS plane one day I will look at a full fuselage plane but for now I'll stick with the skinnys

It's a little big for a 91. Most guys liked the YS 120 in there. It was a 10 pounder, if memory serves.

Someone, in the 3D forum, posted a vid of an Edge that was an e-conversion. I think it might have been about the right size. It looked like a Mini Blaine Austin kind of colors. The guy flying it was doing well, but I'm not sure us mere mortals would do as well. The plane is fairly new, so only time will tell.

Pacific has an Edge, but I never heard of any 3D from it. Just looking at it, it's pretty scale. Even the airbalances in the right spots.

AeroWroks has a 3D Edge, now that I'm on my second cup of coffee, I remember it!!! Perfect for a Saito 91. Not the 60, look at the 40, and still put a Saito 91!!!

Have you considered an Island Hobbies "Capiche 50" This sounds like it would do nicely as it comes with a pattern or a 3D wing

They also do this one in a 140 size also , but neither are ARF... but it's definitely worth a look
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Lanier Razor... Goldberg Matrix...

Both got mixed reviews, so I can't say good or bad about them. But they are small 3D fatties!

I will look into the fattys mentioned. Need to get an ARF and definitely one with removable wings unless its in the 40 size engine range in which case I will use the Rossi 46 ( which used to power my Morris Knife, sold due to relocation ) Tks for all the inputs.

The Capiche is supposed to set the standard for fatty 3D machines. Two problems though, you have to build it and not available in the US.

Do you want something to throw around and have fun with????? If you want to run the .91 2 Cycle, get the OMP Yak. For the .91 4 Cycle, get the Kat .70 by accell. If you want to use the Rossi .46, wait for a month and get the PA Bad Boy. These are all Arfs. All of these planes represent the benchmark in 3D performance and will perform well in other arenas, but they are made for 3D and fun.

They suck out the wazoo man! Ive been there done that! 6 lbs on 600sq just doesnt cut it.

Looks loke you need a profile.....come on, switch to the dark side...once you go flat, you never go back....come on......come on