paof

HI,BEST PLACE FOR BUY GLOW TO GAS CONVERSION KITS FOR SAITO 180 AND 72?
THANKS VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE.

PAOF

jetmech05

Well I don't know of such a kit. Doesn't mean there isn't one. You need a spark plug, carb. Ignition unit, magnetic pick up, tygon fuel lines and a gas bung for you tank.....

paof

Hi, thanks for your reply
Who sale this items???

balsa brain

You might want to check the Engine Conversion Forum. There is long thread there about glow to gas with plenty of posts from guys that know their stuff.

paof

Ok balsa brain thanks for your help. In my country the glow fuel is very very espensive and the gas fuel is very very cheap.
Thanks again

pacoflyer

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Adrian at CH Ignitions will be able to help you...

paof

Pacoflyer,thanks very much, is all i need.

Paof

SrTelemaster150

www.CH-ignitions.com

You might want to consider the CDI/glow conversion burning 15% nitro. An FA180 on CDI Glow will make 3 HP, a full gas conversion will make less than 2.4 HP.

The user friendliness will be the same a s gas & it will use 20% less fuel that GI.

jester_s1

You might also consider selling those glow engines and buying 2 stroke gassers. After you buy a gas carburetor, electronic ignition, spark plug adapter, and put your time into the conversion you'll probably have invested just as much.

SrTelemaster150

Shows how much you know. There's no need for a "spark plug adaptor".

Besides, maybe he can't stomach the 2-stroke chain saw sound, I know I can't.

jester_s1

I thought there weren't any spark plugs that fit the glow engine threads? Maybe I'm wrong. He'll need the rest of the stuff though plus the time to do the conversion and get it running right, so he still may decide it's more cost effective to go with a factory built gasser.

SrTelemaster150

If he's like me, 2-strokes are not an option. 4-strokes add a bit of realism that just isn't there W/a 2-stroke. He can buy a brand new FA180 & convert it for $8 less than a new FG30 & have a better running engine. Converting his own engine will be $478 less than a new FG30 & again, it will be a better running engine.

Adrian (at CH-Ignitions has converted many factory gas FG30s to his carburetor set-up due to poor peformace of the factory set-up. On the early FG engines, Saito also tried to re-invent the wheel & the ignitions systems were unreliable. He has done complete CDI/carburetor change-outs on these engines.

The FA180 will cost $210 for a plug n play system, $12 for a sparkplug from CH-Ignitions. It will take about 1/2 hour 45 minutes for the intial set-up. Tuning will take some additional time. It will make FA150 glow ignition power, about 2.4HP.

The FA72 is too small to be practical as a gas or even a CDI/methanol engine. Too much bulk for the appropriate airframes except maybe a 1/5 scale Cub. On CDI/methanol it would work in that case making about 1.25HP, but gas will be too far down on HP, just a bit less than 1HP. Maginal @ best.

jester_s1

Well it sounds like you know your stuff, SrTelemaster150. Good to see the OP has an experienced person to ask questions if he decides to go this route.

SrTelemaster150

I discovered the joys of CDI/glow fuel in my FA150 way back in 1997. I haven't flown W/a glow plug since but I don't burn gasoline either..

Gray Beard

My Feedback: (-1)

Photo of my CH electronic ignition I got in 89 for the YS 1.20. Notice it isn't on the engine. Reason, there was no improvement at all in performance or mileage. Didn't start, run or idle any better then it does now. The spark plug is really cool though, WARNING!! If you have a teenage daughter and she sees these cute little plugs they will be on her charm bracelet. The plug is an NGK ME-8. I haven't bothered to try to convert a glow engine to gas, if I wanted a 1.80 gasser I would just buy a nice DLE 30. I have mixed my own glow fuel though and a gallon of alcohol and 20% Castor oil without any nitro is a lot cheaper then buying glow fuel. I bought methanol alcohol in 15 gallon drums and Castor from SIG. I got nitro from a local speed shop to use in engines that didn't like FAI fuel.Adding the ignition and battery was really a lot of added weight too, it's a heavy system. Perhaps the newer ones are lighter?

SrTelemaster150

That's the old pre -synchrospark system W/manual advance.

Things have come a long way since then.


EVERY Saito single I have converted to CDI/glow has gained 150-300 RPM, 25% better fuel economy, lower dependable idle & easier starting.

My FA200Ti didn't gain RPM, but the fuel economy improved 70%!

Here's my 12.8:1 compression FA180HC running on CH-Ignitions CDI W/15% Cool Power. I would like to see a GI version idle & start as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xaiAR8Yelc

Gray Beard

My Feedback: (-1)

Perhaps it's a Saito thing but I haven't needed anything but a glow plug with YS and OS. Haven't seen anyone at any of the fields I fly at that has an EI on a glow engine. For a bunch less money and trouble you can just buy a nice gas engine and be ahead of the game. Just sell the Saito and buy a gasser like jester mentioned. 150 to 300 rpm increase, a real fire breather!! Takes the added rpm just to pull all that dead weight.

SrTelemaster150

That 150-200 RPM comes with 20% less (glow) fuel. The difference between an "gas" FG30 & a CDI/glow fuel FA180 will be more like 600 RPM! My high compression FA180 will make 1000 to 1400 more RPM than an FG30 depending on the glow fuel.

Dead weight you say?

Lets see, 20% less fuel, lets say 4 ozs weighs about 4 ozs so that makes up for the added weight of the CDI/battery.

It's not a "Saito thing" you tried an antiquted CDI sytem from 20 years ago & assume that all are the same. Everyone W/ some real mechanical talent & understanding of tuning that has converted to CDI/glow fuel has similar improvements as mine. You "only need a glow plug" but if you experienced the advantages you would probably WANT the advantages of CDI.

Less money you say?

The $125 cost of a quality CDI will pay for itself in fuel savings in a season if you fly much. A quality 30cc 4-stroke gas engine costs $700 & you need an engine 25% larger to make the same power. That's a LOT of "dead weight"! In addition, the $575 difference will buy a LOT of glow fuel @ the $17 a gallon I pay. (34 gallons) That isn't even taking into account the cost of gas you will be burning anyway.

BTW: Nobody at the fields I fly at uses CDI/methanol either. But then I've never been a "follower".

paof

Save money is the questions¡¡¡ thanks for all reply.

Paof

SrTelemaster150

$210 for a complete conversion for your FA180 that you can set up in less than 1 hour. www.CH-Ignitions.com

paof

thanks srtelemaster .