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Old 03-14-2004 | 09:41 AM
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I have an GMS.61 that I just bought.I broke it in and it idles and transits ok,but,if I put the nose up,It spit's and sputters and dies and if I put nose down, It revs up,up!!! Am I too rich or too lean? I read about problems with this engine's carb/rear seal,is this a problem with GMS engines and is it a piece of s*hit? It seems to be running fine,just this up/down nose problem,so help me out folks,PLEASE!!!![]
Old 03-14-2004 | 01:25 PM
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Typically, if it dies with the nose up, it is too lean. Is this at full throttle? If it is at idle, then the low end needle valve may need to be richened up. You might also try to adjust the air bleed.
Old 03-14-2004 | 01:26 PM
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Not familiar with GMS engines but it sounds more like a fuel feed problem than carburetor adjustment to me. The problem it seems to me is in your fuel tank. Is your clunk free to move to all parts of the tank ? Are any of the fuel lines subject to pinching if the aircraft is moved beyond level ? If the clunk is rubbing on the back of the tank and cannot move it will not allow fuel to be drawn when the nose is elevated. If the nose is down same proposition in
reverse no fuel, lean run. Worth a try to check it.
Old 03-14-2004 | 07:36 PM
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leaning toward fuel pickup problem,seem's to happen thru entire throttle range,will check fuel and report.
Thanks for your help
Old 03-15-2004 | 06:46 PM
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Hi Airacer,
Would believe you do not have much experience with engines?
The problem you mention probably would not exsist if the engine fuel
mixture was adjusted prperly to start with, not knowing otherwise try
this method,
With the engine level and running at full throttle lean the mixture (turn
the needle towards the closed position, usually to the right) 8ntil the
engine wants to stop. Quickly richen the mixture (open the needle valve,
turn to the left) until peak RPM is observed.
With peak assured open the needle more until you note a slight drop in
rpm. That will be the operating mixture.
There are two styles of carburetor adjustments, a 2nd kow speed needle valve or an air bleed adjusting screw. The needle valves would
be in line with each other. The air bleed screw would be to one side
These are low speed, idle, adjustments and such adjusting is done with
them alone, the high speed setting is NOT TOUCHED once adjusted.
Idle speed procedure> close the throttle to the slowest steady rpm.
From that, quickly open the throttle.
Did the engine run rough, burp, want to stop?
If so the mixture is to rich and can be leaned by turning the low speed
needle in (to the right) about 1/2 revelution at a time.
Repeat until the change from low to high is immediate and clean.
If lower idle speed is desired and possible close throttle more and
repeat prodedure.
If with the initial quick throttle opening the engine ran smoothly and
slowly died, quit. Then the mixture is to lean. Repeat the previous
method except turn the low speed needle out (to he left)
If the engine has an air bleed carburetor and the initial low speed try
indicates a rich mixture the air bleed screw is opened, turned to the
left. Follow same procedure as with he needle valve. If mixture is lean
turn he air bleed screw in, to he right.

When proper low speed setting is attained the engine will transverse
from low to high smoothly time after time with no tendicy to stop.
If not increase the low speed rpm very slightly until action is proper.
If when an engine has been set up with this routine and you still see
the problem you describe the trouble is proably in the fuel supply system
not the engine.
Things such as leaky fuel lines, kinked fuel lines and/or fuel tank is to
far from engine.
Also if muffler pressure is used there could be leaks in muffler attachment or itself.
As you probbly have noted the engine comes with operating instructions
but the box can not contain needed experience from useage!
Good luck, have fun!

Hal deBolt
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You sound too lean.
Are you routing your pressure tap on the muffler to the vent on your tank?
Old 03-19-2004 | 08:37 PM
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thanks haldebolt and all of you for your help.Followed hadebolts process and she is screaming now!!!!!!!! I thank you all for your help

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