Wow, you ARE angry. I'm no preacher... more like a Harbinger. Video you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKUWlWDqP3Q

Click on the arrow that says " More From: barfus123 " You'll find lots of vids of my brsushless beasties. The only time we get ooos and ahs at the track anymore, is when one of my brushless cars makes an INCREDIBLE jump.

I'm happy you're happy with Nitro, it's cool. I didn't have a ton of issues with nitro, in fact, as I said, I often end up helping other guys with theirs. I've been playing with nitro since the mid 80s when I got my first Cox .049 powered airplanes. Nitro was a great way to get people into the hobby. The noise, the tuning; you had to know what you're doing to actually race one competitively. But those days are fading. This "Product Driven" market is the ultimate decision maker. Most people want to drive their cars, not spend a bunch of time just trying to keep them running. People have another, BETTER option now. You can brag about how cool your nitro sounds, but it's still a head ache by comparison.

I don't want to argue anymore. It's merely a matter of taste. Sadly, this inhibits your ability to enjoy the hobby fully. You're missing out on a much more powerful, and easy to use system. [8D]

Dude any bone head with a few bucks can buy a fast BL.... that includes me.....I am going to be building a MBX5T into a BL very soon.........however it will never replace my nitro's......

Are those your own personal video's ? or are you scalping off someone else ? and honestly what is soo impressive about that video ? a good nitro can do everything that is doing ? at least show me something impressive !

flame war!

No flame war LOL....... my god a few people have a difference of opinion and you guys start running around like a bunch of sqawking hens thinking the sky is falling........ I like Nitro and to me BL is a great second choice.......I am planning a MBX5T BL next, so its not like I hate BL..I just hate these BL guys making nitro out to be some useless archaic product that doesn't function well .....I have seen with my own eyes plenty of BL systems get beat down by good ole Nitro systems... to date at all the races we have been too that allow BL to run with Nitro I have yet to see a BL system on the podium...so buying a BL system is not going to make someone an overnight hero no matter what anyone says...... we already agree some BL systems are faster and less hassle, but honestly I would rather drive a nasty Muscle car then some girly electric car....... I am a hardcore gearhead and would rather drive a harley then some Honda, even if the harley is slower and requires more tinkering.... I love the sound, the smell, and the feel of nitro...... go to a big parking lot and run some RC's run a ultra fast BL and a ultra fast nitro and see which one draws more attention...everyone wants a nitro car when they see then run ! even if BL is faster it just doesn't have the same appeal.....

edit : I was thinking over this while i was working..... I don't think its fair to start bashing on nitro, however I also don't think its fair not to give BL a chance..... I can definitely see the benefits of a good BL system as opposed to a nitro.... Racing nitro is about tuning and engine setup as much as it about racing, it does take some skills to tune and understand nitro, and it can be discouraging to some people who are not mechanically inclined..Hell it can be discouraging to anyone at first, mechanically inclined or not... Nitro engines are picky little monsters and do definitely take some know how to oprate at full potential, there is a huge learning curve starting from a newbie to becoming capable of competition level... This alone can make entering 1/8 nitro racing very difficult for someone starting out.... With a good BL system somone can jump right into racing and never have to fight the nitro learning curve.. With a BL all they have to worry about setting up the car and learning to drive.. And right off the bat they can have the same powerplant performance as everyone else at the track..... With nitro it takes years to be able to tune and modify them to run at the top levels........... So I can definitely respect BL, and I can definitely see how appealing BL will be to many people, also to consider is BL will help bring new blood into the sport of racing..... And I gotta admit the silent BL machine floating over the track looks awesome, they seem so graceful and effortless......... I still like Nitro better, but I do also have huge respect for BL... I happen to love tuning and modifying nitro engines, and to me that is a huge part of the hobby.... But without question I will have a BL machine or two to compliment my Nitro's......

Yup, that's my car and me driving it(I'm the one telling another guy what it cost to get his own, and now he's got TWO). That jump was about 20ft, with a 4ft run up. The nitro guys tried for DAYS to make that jump; only one came close, and he's a sponsored driver!

The Mugen is a GREAT truggy, and should make an excellent conversion. I would suggest you stay away from Novak and Xcelerin 8th scale systems, we had bad luck with them. The Castle systems, on the other hand have been nothing but awesome!

I'm not trying to steer people away from nitro, just towards a BL conversion. I've seen my fair share of people just get tired of dealing with it and give up on racing. If the BL systems of today, were available a year or two ago, I KNOW at least 3 guys that would still be racing.

If there were more available better designed Brushless motor mounts that use mechanical brakes, I'll jump on it, but the fact is brushless motor braking blows,

Yes it has instant torque, and technical track's with alot of turns it will own nitro

but high speed tracks nitro will alwasy win,

nitro = high speed
BL = instant torque,

both has it' pros and cons

BL isn't any more expensive than high end Nitro either, high end rossi motor is 500 bucks, include the $15 turbo plugs, $30 nitro, it's not any cheaper than BL

but BL while it looks cool, don't have the rawness nitro has.

IMO, have both, if it's possible,

If not, go nitro first, then if it's not your thing, go BL.

Niether is better all the time.

I do like the way the BL systems makes things look so effortless......That I do like !!!!

Another thing I like is the fact that BL can be run indoors much much easier.. I live in a climate where 6 montsh of the year are winter, we do run indoor Nitro sometimes, but the smog is killer ! running BL would be soo much easier !

RE: Top of the line buggy engine?

You BL guy's need to take a hike, your are in no way answering the original question. Your not being constructive and your just being a bunch of jerks. The moderators should lock this if it continues the way it is.

Somebody was singing the praises of converting to brushless, well let's have a look.
The ESC and brushless motor costs more than a modded nitro engine.
2 lipo battery packs, nearly just as much again.
Balancing lipo charger, well that is the price of a stock nitro engine.
What does it get you, well to be truthful, it is an insanely fast buggy that has tons of power, for about 20 minutes runtime. If you want more runtime, more lipos and then you can do like some of the guys have done, buy a Honda generator as well as another charger!!!!!!!!! Then you can run all day long charging your batteries as you go (as long as they don't have a thermal eventexplode-). You may need to take a 15 minute break between runs while the third set of lipos are charging over by the generator
As FoamyVictim has stated, brushless is a far superior performer than nitro. No doubt in my mind as to that being factual.
Call me old fashion but I love the smell of nitro in the morning, and then at noon, and then at dusk again. Yup I can run all day long and a whole lot cheaper than a brushless setup!!!!
As far as my preference for nitro engines, Rossi is a performer that has longevity. These engines can take a beating and still run well while others are on their third rebuild.
I am going to try my CMB-RS 21 this year. These are also a powerhouse but lets see how long it lasts.
Just my $0.02 worth (but since its Canadian, its actually only $0.017) LOL

Actually, my brushless truggy has a higher top speed than the typical nitros, and STILL has ALLOT more torque. Tekno RC has been building BL conversions WITH MECHANICAL BRAKES for some time now. All the advantages of a Nitro car, without the Nitro.

http://www.teknorc.com/

I may be proud of my BL system, and I certainly brag about it, but I don't believe i was a "Jerk" about anything. The original post was looking for maximum power, and BL is simply that.

Castle Creations 2200 Kv system, which includes the Motor AND ESC, $296.00

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/32919

Battery Charger suitable for batteries up to 6S(as if that kinda power is really needed) Less than $40.00

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...lancer/Charger

Batteries, you only need one most of the time, but at these prices, it makes more sense to order them in pairs. They start around $70.00

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...0mAh_4S1P_25C_

Here's a list of Nitro Engines. Show me one that combined with mods and a year's worth of fuel, is cheaper than a BL system(I say a year's worth, because that's about a season's worth of racing on a Battery, which after that will start to degrade and need replacement). Granted, you need ancillary equipment, but look how CHEAP I can make it happen. I also own products from the companies I posted links to, all work GREAT!

http://www.amainhobbies.com/index.ph...rh&filter_mfr=

Factor in the conversion kit, average $50-$80, and you're still ahead with the BL conversion. Add to that the money you'll save on Glow Plugs, Clutch Components, Exhaust Gaskets, or any other consumables associated with Nitro, and BL becomes even more appealing.

Bottom line is, if you want Maximum Performance, and Minimum Head Ache, go Brushless.

I didn't do anything really "Impressive" in this one, but it demonstrates a couple things. One, how smooth you can be with a BL car, and Two, how old nitro throttle blipping habits die hard. Just listen, you can hear me rotating the truck with the throttle. The track was a little slick because it'd been practiced on allot without being blown off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_NcXEaLqGE

He was asking for a top of the line engine, not a top of the line motor.

OK, couldn't resist.

Wise *****! Faster is faster!

Im just going to get a ninja some time and maybe get some type of a mod latter on...
I hate brushless theres no noise except a high pitched squeak.
Its soooooo boring.

To the BL thumpers, its technically not racing. Look at all forms of motor sports racing, trophy truck racing, Nascar racing , and F1 racing and so on, depending on who has the best setup is usually the one that has the best chance to win. Theres more to racing than being able to drive the best on the track, you got to be able to adjust your machine to top performance and be able to adjust without notice. BL might be faster and easier, but your taking have of the racing out. The race can be won or lost in the pits, and thats the biggest battle to racing is being able to come out on top even when your down.

In Club Level Racing, we don't CARE about that... we want to RACE, rather than sit in the pits with a engine that refuses to run. Combustion engines are all fun and games in the pits of NASCAR, but we're not mulit-million dollar pit crews playing with all brand new equipment. We're just a bunch of arm chair and shade tree mechanics having fun. At some point, I decided I had more fun ON the track than in the pits tinkering with a finicky engine.

I understand the hard core nitro guys think electric is for little girls. But how would you feel, if your big studly nitro engine gets a slight air leak, and won't run. You sit in the pits pulling your hair out, while I, and everyone else, enjoys the race.... which is the WHOLE POINT!

ok enough about brushless, it's not for all,

best value = OS Vspec, 240 @ tower with the coupon

best motor period? = there's no answer to that one.