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The Hedgehog 01-15-2013 05:30 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: TheKennyKiller

He's on moderated status as well... Like always. :D
Can moderators be moderated? hah

HerrSavage 01-15-2013 05:34 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 

ORIGINAL: Foxy


ORIGINAL: HerrSavage

Nothing is being ''phased out''.

People still go bow-hunting for godsake.

And there are no 1:1 race series worth mentioning - and won't be for years..

A lot of the perceived momentun for electric is in the advertising - the vast majority of which comes from companies like Traxxas, and is targeted at newbs. Who with more than a year or so experience in RC seriously cares about Traxxas?

Electric definitely has advantages, but the number of pages Traxxas devotes to advertising to newbs in magazines should seriously not even enter the discussion. Because in the end, it's like anything else - who gives a c.rap what anybody else does or thinks? As long as there is nitro fuel to buy, I will run nitro. And it's looking like I will run electric too. But Traxxas' (or anybody else's) advertising strategy, or what more newbs prefer based on that advertising, means zip nada nothing to me when it comes to my RC preferences.
You still fail to see the point about Traxxas. Traxxas isn't like other hobby companies, it's the MacDonalds of RC, it's only interested in making things as cheaply as possible and selling them for as much as they can get away with. They will always release products that are 'current'. If nitro was to have a resurgence, so would Traxxas nitro lineup, if electric continues to dominate, they will offer still more electric stuff, and even less nitro stuff.

Now take a company like Mugen or Xray, they are in the game because they love it, sure, they want to make money, but they have a heritage they need to stick to in order to maintain reputation. Traxxas doesn't care about its repuation, only its bottom line. As such traxxas is a good barometer for the market. If nitro was still as popular as electric, why would the premier box-shifting company reduce their nitro portfolio tojust a few models, and expand their electric lineup to never before seen levels.

Please, stop trying to deny the obvious and disagree with it because you haven't understood. Nobody's saying Traxxas models are particularly influential, what they are is REPRESENTATIVE.

Again you continue to draw analogies to support your argument which support the OTHER argument (you really aren't very good at this debating business, I'm sorry to say, that is not meant as an insult, take it as constructive criticism). Yes, people still use bows. Are bows more efficient or effective at killing than guns? No. That's why more people hunt with guns than bows. Hunting with a bow, as driving a nitro car, is fun, and totally down to personal preference, however, which is superior between a bow and a gun is patently bloody obvious. No?

Nobody wants you to convert to electric, I just want you to acknowledge, as your OWN analogy, that you are hunting with a bow, and I with a gun. k?

The point about bows and guns is that it's comparing apples and oranges, and for gun hunters to make fun of bow hunters is just retarded. I figured you'd take the angle you're taking - that guns are superior to bows... :eek: (When really we all know hunting with ICBM's is where it's at...)

Nothing is patently obvious as to which is "superior" when what we are discussing is ... not hunting, which conjures up notions of survival, etc.., but playing with toy cars.

You really need to give up on the superiority thing. It's just bogus. There is more power with brushless, sure.. But your obsession with trying to prove (you're not proving anything - you're merely asserting) that on this basis electric is objectively superior is pure unadulturated nonsense.

For many people the lack of a real engine sound (and the more visceral feel that goes with it) makes nitro superior to electric - for them, regardless of power. For me that happens to be the case. There - that is an expression of my preference. I'm not however stating that this is objectively true, as if I'm trying to win some kind of debating tournament. My point is, there is no debating tournament, and my comments are aimed at those who insist that there is - on their terms of course(while insulting anybody who doesn't share their premises... This is a hobby; I'll do what I want in it, and you trying to tell me and others that what you do in it is objectively superior is flat-out stupid.

As is your insistence on somehow being a better debater. Your so-called debating skills are laughable. Seriously, your attempt at this whole discussion is about as sophisticated as that of a 6th grader. "My dad can beat up your dad cuz he has a brushless toy car and yours a nitro." More people hunting - as a hobby - with a gun because it's easier does not make it "better". Bow hunters might think what they do is harder, and requires more skill, insight, and experience, so what they do is better. Any fat-ass can pull a trigger from 500 yds away with a laser-scope or whatever. But as long as we are talking about the realm of hobbies, there is no better. There is only what I happen to prefer and choose as a means to waste my money and time.

kaycerc 01-15-2013 05:35 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: supertib
what kills electric is weight...weight, weight and more weight............... on a race track weight is everything.............the heavier the car is, the less nimble it is...a lighter weight nitro carves the corners much better then a bloated electric...........my 28 powered truggy would eat your 6S powered truggy alive if we raced on the track...why ? because your going to be 2lbs heavier and your going to have nowhere near the handling I will have...........every single corner you will drift wide and I will carve like a razor..........

Weight does not make a vehicle handle better...weight makes a vehicle stay straight better, and it also makes changing directions much more difficult.......which is the opposite of what you want on a offroad track................
I'm struggling to find a reason for your post, other than for you to prove you don't race and never have raced.
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proptop 01-15-2013 05:36 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
One doesn't necessarily HAVE to be better than the other, does it? I guess it's Human Nature to make comparisons...

To me, chosing only one would be kind of like a diet of only one kind of food...it would get tiresome after a while...

If I get the urge, and opportunity, to go out at midnight to run a couple batteries down in the Church parking lot...I can...and it's a lot of fun.
I can't fire up my old X1-CR after midnight, with the on-road Nova Mega .21 Evo 5 (MS ) and 9886, or the cops would probably be there in a few minutes...:D

I agree with the statement Herr Savage made about the people who say "Nitro is Dead" and such other nonsense comments. Maybe to them it is, but they have a pretty narrow view of the world it seems? I have a lifetime collection of engines, plugs, props, etc. etc. etc. and as long as there is Methanol and Nitro and oil I can run them...hopefully for another 30 years or so...(I have quite a few friends with Glow Fuel in their veins that share that sentiment )

The Hedgehog 01-15-2013 05:41 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

Ricky, he is speaking the truth, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are equal if not more popular than electric.

supertib 01-15-2013 05:54 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 

ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: supertib
what kills electric is weight...weight, weight and more weight............... on a race track weight is everything.............the heavier the car is, the less nimble it is...a lighter weight nitro carves the corners much better then a bloated electric...........my 28 powered truggy would eat your 6S powered truggy alive if we raced on the track...why ? because your going to be 2lbs heavier and your going to have nowhere near the handling I will have...........every single corner you will drift wide and I will carve like a razor..........

Weight does not make a vehicle handle better...weight makes a vehicle stay straight better, and it also makes changing directions much more difficult.......which is the opposite of what you want on a offroad track................
I'm struggling to find a reason for your post, other than for you to prove you don't race and never have raced.
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Na ! I don't race any , :eek:

However I do happen to own and operate a world class track facility !!! :D

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f07Tuop5sU0[/youtube]

:D:D:D


supertib 01-15-2013 05:56 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f07Tuop5sU0[/youtube]

kaycerc 01-15-2013 05:56 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said "100 grams," and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type="_moz" />

HerrSavage 01-15-2013 06:04 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said ''100 grams,'' and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type=''_moz'' />

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And flashlights are like watching an NFL movie on mute, and have no soul..., but hey, you're less likely to break a nail cuz you don't have to touch all that dirty yucky stuff which is so stinky and oooohhhh so loud..

kaycerc 01-15-2013 06:12 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: HerrSavage



ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said ''100 grams,'' and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type="" />

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And flashlights are like watching an NFL movie on mute, and have no soul..., but hey, you're less likely to break a nail cuz you don't have to touch all that dirty yucky stuff which is so stinky and oooohhhh so loud..
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And if playing with internal combustion engines makes you feel more manly, and running around beating your chest, so be it.

:D
<br type="_moz" />

The Hedgehog 01-15-2013 06:17 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: RickWoo

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.


HA HA whatever you say Ricky, again, VERY strong arguments.

HerrSavage 01-15-2013 06:24 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 

ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: HerrSavage



ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said ''100 grams,'' and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type='''' />

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And flashlights are like watching an NFL movie on mute, and have no soul..., but hey, you're less likely to break a nail cuz you don't have to touch all that dirty yucky stuff which is so stinky and oooohhhh so loud..
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And if playing with internal combustion engines makes you feel more manly, and running around beating your chest, so be it.

:D
<br type=''_moz'' />
Somewhere out there on the interweb are probably dozens of forums devoted to basketweaving. It has never once occurred to me to barge into any of them and proclaim my hobby to be objectively superior to basketweaving. I do however prefer it. Shrug..

People like YOU erroneously assigning objective superiority to your own choice of toy car though - you are the ones beating your chests..(and in so doing insulting people who prefer something else..) Because your precious flashlights have all that big bad power...

asmund 01-15-2013 06:30 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 

ORIGINAL: cumminspower5.9



ORIGINAL: asmund

I want to sum it up very short: Electric=boring, <u>Nitro=exiting
</u>Yes I have had both, but now only nitro and 1/5 gas for me thanks. A car without real sound and exhaust is no real car. Electics give me nothing at all.
But that is just me I guess;)
So nitro is exiting the scene eh? [img][/img] And electrics are boring, so you must just be a gasser now lol
:D
A slight mishap there, I am Norwegian afterall;) I think I ment to write exciting, not exiting:) I have edited my post now

Anyway everybody in this thread are right, some like electrics and others need to burn fuel (like myself) To me the fuel burning toys are "the best" and to some of my friends electrics are "the best" simply because it is what they prefer and like the most.

mattster1971 01-15-2013 06:39 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: HerrSavage


ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: HerrSavage



ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said ''100 grams,'' and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type='''' />

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And flashlights are like watching an NFL movie on mute, and have no soul..., but hey, you're less likely to break a nail cuz you don't have to touch all that dirty yucky stuff which is so stinky and oooohhhh so loud..
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:.................... ........................

And if playing with internal combustion engines makes you feel more manly, and running around beating your chest, so be it.

:D
<br type=''_moz'' />
Somewhere out there on the interweb are probably dozens of forums devoted to basketweaving. It has never once occurred to me to barge into any of them and proclaim my hobby to be objectively superior to basketweaving. I do however prefer it. Shrug..

People like YOU erroneously assigning objective superiority to your own choice of toy car though - you are the ones beating your chests..(and in so doing insulting people who prefer something else..) Because your precious flashlights have all that big bad power...
I think you guys are hilarious. Beating your chest, breaking a nail lmao. There will always be a nitro class.

Foxy 01-15-2013 06:43 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog



ORIGINAL: RickWoo

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.


HA HA whatever you say Ricky, again, VERY strong arguments.
No getting away from the fact that he is the only one saying nitros are faster on a track. I hear from everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) else who races, that the electrics turn faster lap times. Anyhooo...

supertib 01-15-2013 07:03 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: RickWoo



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog

Honestly guys, tib has been in the professional race circuit for very long time. Has sponsors and everything. For those that think he has no experience, please take a deep look at yourselves. SOooooooooooooooooo much information in this thread I am laughing at all of the posts.

Electric guys will always win the internet debates, but in North American tracks, nitros still dominate. I suspect a lot of this talk may have to do with the variances in track types, in North America ours have much more jumps, and rythym and timing is more important than the large, sweeping European types. This is where the weight advantage will factore in. Plus there is the whole issue of pitting, at large US Nationals events, mains are up to an hour long, and pit stops do become an issue (omg do u kno u can swap bats 2?). Yes you can swap batteries, but it is still not as feasible.

<u>Ricky, he is speaking the truth</u>, although it is hard to argue with your post.

Saying nitro is dying or dead is laughable at best, in New England nitro and gas are what people prefer still.

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.

He's talking about weight, and when you're comparing the vehicles the difference is all but negligable (as one person said ''100 grams,'' and even less in many cases). When you're talking about cars that weigh approximately 8 lbs, roughly 1/8th of a pound isn't worth talking about.
I have both, and holding one in each hand you can't even tell the difference - and on the track the electric will run rings around the nitro.

When brushless and lipo technology evolved that 1/8th electrics became an entity, all tracks that tried running the electrics and nitros together soon found themselves dealing with complaints of the nitro drivers - so they split the class, and it wasn't because the electrics were slower. It's because they were appreciably faster.


I really find this whole argument hilarious - the nitro devotees still relying on their old arguments to prove their point, arguments proven null and void with the new technology in place with electrics over the last few years.
End of the day, realistically - the only thing the nitro cars have going for themselves is that they stink worse than electrics (so your wife won't allow you to bring them in the house), and that they sound like weedeaters.<br type=''_moz'' />


Wow are you a unit !


The brushless 1/8th weigh far more then the Nitro's.... obviously it is you who doesn't know anything...Foxy's 6S truggy will weight no less then 600 grams more then my nitro...600 grams makes a massive difference in handling LOL ! and 600 grams is a conservative number.........

I have records from hundreds of races all over North America, and over 90% of the races the nitro's are the fastest machines on the track... from time to time the electrics are faster, but that is the exception, not the rule............ You should get your facts straight before you start flapping you rotten gums there kid...........


Foxy 01-15-2013 07:10 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
oi oi, calm down, 6 pages of good(ish) debate, let's not lose it now. I've been tempted to share a few harsh words myself. Take a deep breath ;)

I'd agree with 600g for 6S, but not 4S, more like 100, and the torque wipes that out, it's not enough to affect handling, assuming the suspension is set up properly, and this is the thing...have you considered that nitros are faster in your neck of the woods, simply because they are more evolved? Give brushless a bit longer and even the gaps that you're seeing will be whittled away by better setup experience.

supertib 01-15-2013 07:10 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: Foxy



ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog



ORIGINAL: RickWoo

No he's not, and had he ever been to any race - let alone a large professional one where they run both electric and nitro classes - he'd never say any such a thing.
He's merely a nitro engine supplier/builder trying to keep his business afloat, as he sees market share decrease.


HA HA whatever you say Ricky, again, VERY strong arguments.
No getting away from the fact that he is the only one saying nitros are faster on a track. I hear from everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) else who races, that the electrics turn faster lap times. Anyhooo...

dam your very biased to be a moderator... hate nitro much ?

check the dam race results yourself there Chiko ! I think you will find that nitro 1/8th is almost always faster then 1/8th electric....didn't we go tthru this before ? do I need to start dragging out race results like I did last time ? The evidence is all over the place , most 1/8th races the nitros pull the fastest laps.......

i8tweety 01-15-2013 07:13 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


But as long as we are talking about the realm of hobbies, there is no better. There is only what I happen to prefer and choose as a means to waste my money and time.
In that is truly the case, one should not say: redcat is not as good as Associated. Anything is superior to traxxas. Exceed is one step above toy grade....

If empirical measurements do not apply to the quality of reliability and performance, then there wouldn't be all the above type statements permeating the car forums by both nitro and electric hobbiests.

Foxy 01-15-2013 07:16 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
I took your word for it WAY in the past as you are more experienced in off road racing than I, since then I have been haearing the opposite. If you do post race results, and I welcome you to do so, make them in the last 6 months to be relevant.

Foxy 01-15-2013 07:17 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 


ORIGINAL: i8tweety



But as long as we are talking about the realm of hobbies, there is no better. There is only what I happen to prefer and choose as a means to waste my money and time.
In that is truly the case, one should not say: redcat is not as good as Associated. Anything is superior to traxxas. Exceed is one step above toy grade....

If empirical measurements do not apply to the quality of reliability and performance, then there wouldn't be all the above type statements permeating the car forums by both nitro and electric hobbiests.
Bob, did I ever tell you I love you?

You're the only one that's getting what I'm trying to say and not assuming that I hate nitro, which I don't and never have.

supertib 01-15-2013 07:18 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
Here is the results from a big race this weekend in Savannah Georgia..200 entries , some of the fastest guys around......

electric 1/8th buggy

http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml

Nitro 1/8th Buggy

http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml

wow would you look at that !!! once again Nitro proves to be the fastest machines on the track, as usual in offroad racing............. I find it funny how you electric guys are claiming electrics run circles around the nitro's at the races, yet 90% of all race resu,lts show that its the nitros beating out the electrics !

and for those wanting to compare here is the entire field..same racers going between electric and nitro are also showing faster times with nitro

http://colonelswinterclassic.com/live_result.php

Oh by the way my Team driver Shay Brand did quite good at this event ! but hey, what do I know about racing.... !:eek:


Foxy 01-15-2013 07:21 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
1 track doth not a majority make. Here in Greece, on one track nitro is (fractionally) faster, and on the other, electric is a second a lap faster, and as I say, as setups are perfected for electric, that will increase more

The Collector1 01-15-2013 07:25 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
You know its funny that this argument is from two different parts of the world, different parts different variables, different tracks, drivers etc. Is anyone getting what I am saying?

Foxy 01-15-2013 07:36 AM

RE: Nitro vs Electric
 
Yes indeed, which is why I focussed on the metric of power as be-all and end-all to determining which is empirically 'better'.

Then these guys started saying track results don't hold true to electric being 'faster' despite being more powerful and the waters got muddied. So I decided to play their game, since there are as many saying that electric is faster round a track too, let's try to find a majority one way or the other.

Hey I might make a poll.


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