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RE: Nitro vs Electric
You're still stretching with this silly notion of a "debate" being "settled", and all this absurd talk of objective, empirical "metrics". It's absolute poppycock, once you cross over from saying "yes, brushless is more poweful" to "therefore it is objectively better".
As is even bringing up what most newbs prefer. The rest we can more or less agree on. As long as you agree that you - and a fair few others - do indeed make anti-nitro comments on a regular basis. My sig is a response to that, not a cause. Definitely not a chicken and egg argument there. |
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ORIGINAL: The Collector1 You know its funny that this argument is from two different parts of the world, different parts different variables, different tracks, drivers etc. Is anyone getting what I am saying? I might also add that on the electric forums, when the nitro/electric topic comes up, the electric guys mention the advantage of the electricinstant torque and <font size="2">acceleration</font> But they concedethe top speed to the nitros. |
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ORIGINAL: The Collector1 And OP has not been back to this thread since. Started a fight and ran before the first bell...........:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: JohnP2 ORIGINAL: The Collector1 And OP has not been back to this thread since. Started a fight and ran before the first bell...........:eek: I read and understood your post, but seeing what happens on these forums having a topic with a title like that only starts a bickering match mr tough guy.... |
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ORIGINAL: The Collector1 ORIGINAL: JohnP2 ORIGINAL: The Collector1 And OP has not been back to this thread since. Started a fight and ran before the first bell...........:eek: I read and understood your post, but seeing what happens on these forums having a topic with a title like that only starts a bickering match mr tough guy.... |
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Also it seems as people cant take a joke around here anymore without throwing meaningless nonsense out there
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ORIGINAL: The Collector1 Also it seems as people cant take a joke around here anymore without throwing meaningless nonsense out there |
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ORIGINAL: JohnP2 ORIGINAL: The Collector1 ORIGINAL: JohnP2 ORIGINAL: The Collector1 And OP has not been back to this thread since. Started a fight and ran before the first bell...........:eek: I read and understood your post, but seeing what happens on these forums having a topic with a title like that only starts a bickering match mr tough guy.... Thats fine I could do that too |
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lol, this is awesome, took a whole 9 posts to turn sour! thats gotta be an rcu record.
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RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: RickWoo I was just going to point out you've neglected to mention the ever-increasing fuel costs, AND routine engine replacement costs (including the comparative high price of race-mills). It's not all a bowl of cherrys running electric. |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: nitroexpress ORIGINAL: RickWoo I was just going to point out you've neglected to mention the ever-increasing fuel costs, AND routine engine replacement costs (including the comparative high price of race-mills). It's not all a bowl of cherrys running electric. Those are all one-time costs. Last summer the system I installed in my e-buggy lasted the entire season (high dollar batteries aren't near as important in 1/8th as it is in 1/10th scale), all will be used this coming summer as well. I may replace one battery pack. My nitro "teammate" went through two $300 race engines during the same period........ he's currently budgeting so as to stock up for next season. I forgot to ask him what his fuel bill was for the year, but probably a couple hundred dollars. <br type="_moz" /> |
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ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: nitroexpress ORIGINAL: RickWoo I was just going to point out you've neglected to mention the ever-increasing fuel costs, AND routine engine replacement costs (including the comparative high price of race-mills). It's not all a bowl of cherrys running electric. Those are all one-time costs. Last summer the system I installed in my e-buggy lasted the entire season (high dollar batteries aren't near as important in 1/8th as it is in 1/10th scale), all will be used this coming summer as well. I may replace one battery pack. My nitro "teammate" went through two $300 race engines during the same period........ he's currently budgeting so as to stock up for next season. I forgot to ask him what his fuel bill was for the year, but probably a couple hundred dollars. <br type="_moz" /> Your buddy is doing something wrong going through two engines in a season. Tell him to have them repinchedfor $25 |
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ORIGINAL: nitroexpress ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: nitroexpress ORIGINAL: RickWoo I was just going to point out you've neglected to mention the ever-increasing fuel costs, AND routine engine replacement costs (including the comparative high price of race-mills). It's not all a bowl of cherrys running electric. Those are all one-time costs. Last summer the system I installed in my e-buggy lasted the entire season (high dollar batteries aren't near as important in 1/8th as it is in 1/10th scale), all will be used this coming summer as well. I may replace one battery pack. My nitro "teammate" went through two $300 race engines during the same period........ he's currently budgeting so as to stock up for next season. I forgot to ask him what his fuel bill was for the year, but probably a couple hundred dollars. <br type="_moz" /> Your buddy is doing something wrong going through two engines in a season. Tell him to have them repinchedfor $25 Being a factory driver, pretty sure my buddy knows what he's doing. <br type="_moz" /> |
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Being a good driver is no guarantee of being a good tuner.
But sure - maybe he had a dud. Happens.. Across the board. |
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ORIGINAL: Foxy ORIGINAL: HerrSavage My sig is an obviously ironic bulwark (to anyone familiar with all these stupid discussions..) against the incessant anti-nitro blabber which inevitably gets spewed by the likes of you two.. That's all. I have an electric now, like it, and am looking to get another one. THAT though, is off topic!! Ha.. And Foxy, pa-lease -again.. YOU are the one tooting your own (supposed :eek:) intellectual superiority, on the basis of brushless power being an objective ''metric'' as to why your toy cars are better than nitro toy cars!!.. Sorry - not a personal attack - but that is seriously dumber than some newb troll dropping in and saying his Integy-ied up T-MAXX will blow all our toy cars away... Then offer me a real argument against something I actually said (nitro is not dying, I agree with you on that, have done since the first page, k?) instead of something that I retracted or you made up all on your own, and we can talk some more. I have literally nothing to say to the above post, I don't even know what you're getting at anymore. Between nitro haters and electric haters on this forum, you are the king of them. You are the electric hater extreme, every one of your posts is lined with venom for electric. I know you went electric, I know you like it, I know you still prefer nitro, what does all this have to do with anything? I completely agree nitro is great, will be around as long as any combustion engine. So far you seem to be saying... I'm a nitro hater - I'm not. I think nitro is dying - I do not. That everyone should run electric - I do not. I completely agree with you if you say... Nitro has a place in the hobby, it's noisy and smelly and damn cool, everyone should try it, and nobody should ever be berated for preferring it. :) But then I go on to say... Nitro is seeing a decline in the percentage split of hobbyists, due to the brushless revolution. Many nitro people have switched to brushless. Brushless is more powerful as an RC car powerplant. Whether or not you agree that that last item causes electric to be superior is neither here nor there. As I say, pick another metric that's relevant to the powerplants of RC cars... Efficiency Range (there you go, there's a potentially arguable winner for you) Acceleration Top speed Power to weight ratio I believe that these factors caused by the brushless revolution in the last 5 or so years, have settled the 'nitro vs electric - which is better' debate, where it could not be solved in prior years, it can now. Electric is measurably better in the ways that count, but that should never deter anyone from experiencing nitro, as it's totally different and also rewarding. This is what is causing arguments you keep saying electric is superior, that's your opinion and that is 100% fine but don't go telling people they're opinion is wrong because its different than your's, Your main argument is that electric has more power and that's obviously very important to you, well to me its not. I'm not saying nitro is better, I have both brushless lipo and nitro and it would be very hard to choose just one. As I said twice you can't simply say one is better than the other because of x reason x reason, some cons to you might be a pro to me and vice versa for each. If everyone cant agree to that then there are some stubborn people on here. BTW I love how this rick guy joins and start calling people out on how much experience they have when he doesn't have any idea who they are or what they do. |
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ORIGINAL: proptop One doesn't necessarily HAVE to be better than the other, does it? I guess it's Human Nature to make comparisons... To me, chosing only one would be kind of like a diet of only one kind of food...it would get tiresome after a while... If I get the urge, and opportunity, to go out at midnight to run a couple batteries down in the Church parking lot...I can...and it's a lot of fun. I can't fire up my old X1-CR after midnight, with the on-road Nova Mega .21 Evo 5 (MS ) and 9886, or the cops would probably be there in a few minutes...:D I agree with the statement Herr Savage made about the people who say ''Nitro is Dead'' and such other nonsense comments. Maybe to them it is, but they have a pretty narrow view of the world it seems? I have a lifetime collection of engines, plugs, props, etc. etc. etc. and as long as there is Methanol and Nitro and oil I can run them...hopefully for another 30 years or so...(I have quite a few friends with Glow Fuel in their veins that share that sentiment ) |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: supertib what kills electric is weight...weight, weight and more weight............... on a race track weight is everything.............the heavier the car is, the less nimble it is...a lighter weight nitro carves the corners much better then a bloated electric...........my 28 powered truggy would eat your 6S powered truggy alive if we raced on the track...why ? because your going to be 2lbs heavier and your going to have nowhere near the handling I will have...........every single corner you will drift wide and I will carve like a razor.......... Weight does not make a vehicle handle better...weight makes a vehicle stay straight better, and it also makes changing directions much more difficult.......which is the opposite of what you want on a offroad track................ Losi 8ight-E RTR buggy (minus fuel/batt) = <span class=''bold'' style=''color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal;''>Weight:</span><span style=''color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;''>6 lb 12 oz (3062 g) </span> Hhhmmmmmmmmmm [img][/img]<br type=''_moz'' /> |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: RickWoo If you're smoking ESCs and puffing LiPOs you're doing something wrong. Being a factory driver, pretty sure my buddy knows what he's doing. <br type="_moz" /> BTW, there are many uninformed people that call themselves "factory drivers" when they only have a 20% ride. The term "factory driver" doesn't quaranteec<font size="2">ompetence.</font> |
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ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: Foxy Dude, you're just way too serious. Chill. Then offer me a real argument against something I actually said (nitro is not dying, I agree with you on that, have done since the first page, k?) instead of something that I retracted or you made up all on your own, and we can talk some more. I have literally nothing to say to the above post, I don't even know what you're getting at anymore. Between nitro haters and electric haters on this forum, you are the king of them. You are the electric hater extreme, every one of your posts is lined with venom for electric. I know you went electric, I know you like it, I know you still prefer nitro, what does all this have to do with anything? I completely agree nitro is great, will be around as long as any combustion engine. So far you seem to be saying... I'm a nitro hater - I'm not. I think nitro is dying - I do not. That everyone should run electric - I do not. I completely agree with you if you say... Nitro has a place in the hobby, it's noisy and smelly and damn cool, everyone should try it, and nobody should ever be berated for preferring it. :) But then I go on to say... Nitro is seeing a decline in the percentage split of hobbyists, due to the brushless revolution. Many nitro people have switched to brushless. Brushless is more powerful as an RC car powerplant. Whether or not you agree that that last item causes electric to be superior is neither here nor there. As I say, pick another metric that's relevant to the powerplants of RC cars... Efficiency Range (there you go, there's a potentially arguable winner for you) Acceleration Top speed Power to weight ratio I believe that these factors caused by the brushless revolution in the last 5 or so years, have settled the 'nitro vs electric - which is better' debate, where it could not be solved in prior years, it can now. Electric is measurably better in the ways that count, but that should never deter anyone from experiencing nitro, as it's totally different and also rewarding. AND routine engine replacement costs (including the comparative high price of race-mills). <br type=''_moz'' /> |
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In the big picture of the nitro engine market, the quality-for-price has gone up hugely in the last few years. You can buy a good quality, reliable, fast engine for 200 bucks and race comfortably with all the power you need. And there are 20 to choose from. A Speed is surely nice, but it's not needed for club racing..
For bashing you can get a Losi 454 or Dynamite Big Red .28 for $130 or less, and have a good, reliable, easy to break in and tune engine, that will provide a lot of fun. So if you're talking about a Savage, Revo, LST, or whatever MT, you simply don't need a top-dollar engine. And by "top-dollar" I mean over 200 bucks.. I paid €89 shipped for my Losi 454 new(through a forum), and it's been great.. |
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ORIGINAL: mattster1971 You said minus battery with that weight. I thought the batteries were one of the largest contributing factors. <br type="_moz" /> |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: nitroexpress If your ESC smokes out of warranty or your LiPo puffs before it's time, it's not a one time cost. Your buddy is doing something wrong going through two engines in a season. Tell him to have them repinchedfor $25 ....Sorry, but you've just shot <u>your</u> credibility. ORIGINAL: nitroexpress BTW, there are many uninformed people that call themselves "factory drivers" when they only have a 20% ride. The term "factory driver" doesn't quaranteec<font size="2">ompetence.</font> BTW, there are also many uninformed people that consider themselves competent and can't spell Guarantee. ;)<br type="_moz" /><br type="_moz" /> |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: t-max97 ORIGINAL: Foxy ORIGINAL: HerrSavage My sig is an obviously ironic bulwark (to anyone familiar with all these stupid discussions..) against the incessant anti-nitro blabber which inevitably gets spewed by the likes of you two.. That's all. I have an electric now, like it, and am looking to get another one. THAT though, is off topic!! Ha.. And Foxy, pa-lease -again.. YOU are the one tooting your own (supposed :eek:) intellectual superiority, on the basis of brushless power being an objective ''metric'' as to why your toy cars are better than nitro toy cars!!.. Sorry - not a personal attack - but that is seriously dumber than some newb troll dropping in and saying his Integy-ied up T-MAXX will blow all our toy cars away... Then offer me a real argument against something I actually said (nitro is not dying, I agree with you on that, have done since the first page, k?) instead of something that I retracted or you made up all on your own, and we can talk some more. I have literally nothing to say to the above post, I don't even know what you're getting at anymore. Between nitro haters and electric haters on this forum, you are the king of them. You are the electric hater extreme, every one of your posts is lined with venom for electric. I know you went electric, I know you like it, I know you still prefer nitro, what does all this have to do with anything? I completely agree nitro is great, will be around as long as any combustion engine. So far you seem to be saying... I'm a nitro hater - I'm not. I think nitro is dying - I do not. That everyone should run electric - I do not. I completely agree with you if you say... Nitro has a place in the hobby, it's noisy and smelly and damn cool, everyone should try it, and nobody should ever be berated for preferring it. :) But then I go on to say... Nitro is seeing a decline in the percentage split of hobbyists, due to the brushless revolution. Many nitro people have switched to brushless. Brushless is more powerful as an RC car powerplant. Whether or not you agree that that last item causes electric to be superior is neither here nor there. As I say, pick another metric that's relevant to the powerplants of RC cars... Efficiency Range (there you go, there's a potentially arguable winner for you) Acceleration Top speed Power to weight ratio I believe that these factors caused by the brushless revolution in the last 5 or so years, have settled the 'nitro vs electric - which is better' debate, where it could not be solved in prior years, it can now. Electric is measurably better in the ways that count, but that should never deter anyone from experiencing nitro, as it's totally different and also rewarding. This is what is causing arguments you keep saying electric is superior, that's your opinion and that is 100% fine but don't go telling people they're opinion is wrong because its different than your's, Your main argument is that electric has more power and that's obviously very important to you, well to me its not. I'm not saying nitro is better, I have both brushless lipo and nitro and it would be very hard to choose just one. As I said twice you can't simply say one is better than the other because of x reason x reason, some cons to you might be a pro to me and vice versa for each. If everyone cant agree to that then there are some stubborn people on here. BTW I love how this rick guy joins and start calling people out on how much experience they have when he doesn't have any idea who they are or what they do. |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: supertib Here is the results from a big race this weekend in Savannah Georgia..200 entries , some of the fastest guys around...... electric 1/8th buggy http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml Nitro 1/8th Buggy http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml wow would you look at that !!! once again Nitro proves to be the fastest machines on the track, as usual in offroad racing............. I find it funny how you electric guys are claiming electrics run circles around the nitro's at the races, yet 90% of all race resu,lts show that its the nitros beating out the electrics ! and for those wanting to compare here is the entire field..same racers going between electric and nitro are also showing faster times with nitro http://colonelswinterclassic.com/live_result.php Oh by the way my Team driver Shay Brand did quite good at this event ! but hey, what do I know about racing.... !:eek: Somehow it's led one to believe that 58 laps in 30 minutes equates to ''faster'' than 19 laps in 10 minutes. [img][/img][img][/img][img][/img] <br type=''_moz'' /> look at the lap times...nitro owns electric as usual your sponsored buddy must be pretty dumb !!!! 19 laps in 10 only equal 57 in 30 LOL !!! nitro still wins Chiko !! Nitro is faster at 90% of the races in North America...the results dont lie ! deal with it punk ! |
RE: Nitro vs Electric
ORIGINAL: supertib ORIGINAL: RickWoo ORIGINAL: supertib Here is the results from a big race this weekend in Savannah Georgia..200 entries , some of the fastest guys around...... electric 1/8th buggy http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml Nitro 1/8th Buggy http://colonelswinterclassic.com/liv...8A_Main%29.xml wow would you look at that !!! once again Nitro proves to be the fastest machines on the track, as usual in offroad racing............. I find it funny how you electric guys are claiming electrics run circles around the nitro's at the races, yet 90% of all race resu,lts show that its the nitros beating out the electrics ! and for those wanting to compare here is the entire field..same racers going between electric and nitro are also showing faster times with nitro http://colonelswinterclassic.com/live_result.php Oh by the way my Team driver Shay Brand did quite good at this event ! but hey, what do I know about racing.... !:eek: <u>Somehow it's led one to believe that 58 laps in 30 minutes equates to ''faster'' than 19 laps in 10 minutes.</u>[img][/img][img][/img][img][/img] look at the lap times...nitro owns electric as usual your sponsored buddy must be pretty dumb !!!! Nitro is faster at 90% of the races in North America...the results dont lie ! deal with it punk ! But wherever you got your GED, see if they have a refund policy ..... Because your basic math skills need some work.http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...n/drowning.gif POP QUIZ: What's 3 times 19? <br type="_moz" /> |
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