Me209H-V1 - Scale Combat Anyone?
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Anyone building any WWII Scale Combat planes? This is the high altitude Messerschmitt Me209, H variant, and model V1. Powered by a DB627 engine it could attain an airspeed of 460mph. This one is from Hyzik Models and features a glass fuse and wing:




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wow, you did pretty good build that plane. I thought it was me 209 v-1 racing plane. it was pre war racing plane that fly fast this time. I can't find any plans for me to build that plane.
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Codernaut,
I can't take that much credit. The fuse and wing are finished out of the box. They are glass with all the panel lines and detail molded in. The plane is from Hyzik Models in the Czech Republic. So far as seen in the photos I've sanded the stab, cut out the cowl, installed the motor mounts and put in the wing hold downs.
The H series came after the racers. V1-V4 were racers, possibly the most dangerous ever built up to that time, the H series models V4-6 were fighters. The V1 had an inline engine, the others had radials.
I can't take that much credit. The fuse and wing are finished out of the box. They are glass with all the panel lines and detail molded in. The plane is from Hyzik Models in the Czech Republic. So far as seen in the photos I've sanded the stab, cut out the cowl, installed the motor mounts and put in the wing hold downs.
The H series came after the racers. V1-V4 were racers, possibly the most dangerous ever built up to that time, the H series models V4-6 were fighters. The V1 had an inline engine, the others had radials.
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The H series came after the racers. V1-V4 were racers, possibly the most dangerous ever built up to that time, the H series models V4-6 were fighters. The V1 had an inline engine, the others had radials.
The H series came after the racers. V1-V4 were racers, possibly the most dangerous ever built up to that time, the H series models V4-6 were fighters. The V1 had an inline engine, the others had radials.
Very interesting model. What is the price of the kit? Are they available from a US distributor? What paint(s) will you be using to finish it?
All of the engines intended for the '109H were inline engines, but some used an 'annular radiator' (much like the Fw 190D and Ju 88A). None of the '109H airframes were 'racers', all were prototype fighters. The '209V-1 was not a 'racer', rather it was desighed to test high-speed flight and set speed records for propaganda.
More info:
From http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avbf1092.html :
"* The "Bf-109H" was a high-altitude fighter ( "Hochleichtungsjaeger" ), featuring extended wings, a pressurized cockpit, and high-altitude engine fits, built in response to an RLM requirement issued in early 1943.
At first, the Bf-109H was concieved as basically a Frederick with wing inserts to provide extended span for high-altitude operation. The wing inserts had the incidental effect of moving the main landing gear outward, giving the aircraft a wider ground track.
However, this concept was abandoned as it could not meet RLM requirements. Messerschmitt then suggested that their new "Me-209H" fighter, then in development and discussed in more detail later, could do the job. The Me-209H was to have a new DB-628A or DB-603A turbocharged engine for high-altitude operation, but delivery of the Me-209-II was not expected until 1944. As an interim measure, the RLM ordered Messerschmitt to go ahead with the Bf-109H and redesign it for use with the new engines.
A Gustav, designated "Bf-109-V49", had already been fitted with a mockup of the DB-628A as part of the Me-209-II program, and so it was a straightforward step to install an operational DB-628A in another Gustav for Bf-109H flight tests as the "Bf-109-V50". While this aircraft was undergoing trials, a third Gustav was fitted with both the DB-628A and the extended wings.
While Messerschmitt worked on Bf-109H prototypes with the DB-628A engine, they also built of up a batch of "Bf-109H-0" fighters for engineering tests and "Bf-109H-1" fighters for field evaluation, all modified from Fredericks and powered by the more conventional DB-601E engine with GM-1 nitrous oxide boost.
The Bf-109H-1s were evaluated by the Luftwaffe in France in early 1944. The trials went well, except for the fact that the aircraft demonstrated an unhealthy wing flutter in dives. Tests were conducted on some of these aircraft back in Augsburg, and in April 1944 one lost a wing during a dive.
This apparently stalled the program, which was then presently cancelled in favor of the Focke-Wulf Ta-152H. A number of additional H-series subvariants were considered but never reached prototype stage."
More:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/109H.htm
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Darin,
Thank you for providing that information. I have never been able to get really detailed historic data on the plane. The kit is called H model, V1 variant but it might be a later variant.
To answer your questions I am still in decision making mode over a number of details. I don't think the kit is imported to the US at this time. Mine came from the now defunct Wave RC company owned by Neal Rohrke. Neal had this plane at the 2004 Nats and I bought one from him. These two I think were the only ones brought into the US. They are expensive at almost $200 per kit. I do have email addresses for the kit manufacturer if you would like it.
Another Czech company offers the F4U Corsair; FW190D;EKW C.3603 Thun; Ta-152H; Hawker Typhoon;Messerchmitt Bf-109T; Kawasaki Ki-61-II Kai and Polikarpov I-16 Rata. That is STEINmodel at www.steinmodel.cz. I have the Thun and Ta152. I built the Corsair a couple of years ago and it is an exceptional flier.
My plan right now with the Me209 is to paint a camo pattern, using flat camo colors. I don't like shiny warbirds. The kit comes with some pressure sensitive markings but they will not really look right because you will be able to see their edges. I may have to hand paint them on if I cannot find accurate water transfer decals.
If time and perserverance win out I will try to hi-light all the molded in panel lines. It looks like the easiest way to do this will be to prime with gray, sand then paint with silver, then apply 1/64th inch chart-pak tape into the engraved panel lines then paint the camo. Once done the tape would be removed leaving silver panel lines. Lots of work and time but not very hard to do. I don't plan on doing the cockpit detail for a couple of reasons: first I don't think the instrument panel is at the correction location and angle and second to get a good fit of the canopy to the fuse I will have to putty around the seams and some of this filler will inevitably leak into the cockpit area.
I wish that I had Dick Saropolus skill with an airbrush so I could do the weathering of the canonpy frame, gunports and exhaust stains. But I will have to apply what meager skills I do have to make it look good.
Thank you for providing that information. I have never been able to get really detailed historic data on the plane. The kit is called H model, V1 variant but it might be a later variant.
To answer your questions I am still in decision making mode over a number of details. I don't think the kit is imported to the US at this time. Mine came from the now defunct Wave RC company owned by Neal Rohrke. Neal had this plane at the 2004 Nats and I bought one from him. These two I think were the only ones brought into the US. They are expensive at almost $200 per kit. I do have email addresses for the kit manufacturer if you would like it.
Another Czech company offers the F4U Corsair; FW190D;EKW C.3603 Thun; Ta-152H; Hawker Typhoon;Messerchmitt Bf-109T; Kawasaki Ki-61-II Kai and Polikarpov I-16 Rata. That is STEINmodel at www.steinmodel.cz. I have the Thun and Ta152. I built the Corsair a couple of years ago and it is an exceptional flier.
My plan right now with the Me209 is to paint a camo pattern, using flat camo colors. I don't like shiny warbirds. The kit comes with some pressure sensitive markings but they will not really look right because you will be able to see their edges. I may have to hand paint them on if I cannot find accurate water transfer decals.
If time and perserverance win out I will try to hi-light all the molded in panel lines. It looks like the easiest way to do this will be to prime with gray, sand then paint with silver, then apply 1/64th inch chart-pak tape into the engraved panel lines then paint the camo. Once done the tape would be removed leaving silver panel lines. Lots of work and time but not very hard to do. I don't plan on doing the cockpit detail for a couple of reasons: first I don't think the instrument panel is at the correction location and angle and second to get a good fit of the canopy to the fuse I will have to putty around the seams and some of this filler will inevitably leak into the cockpit area.
I wish that I had Dick Saropolus skill with an airbrush so I could do the weathering of the canonpy frame, gunports and exhaust stains. But I will have to apply what meager skills I do have to make it look good.
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Lou,
You're welcome. Thank you for the info on the kit. From the pics & 3-view, the version represented by that kit appears to be one of the converted G (or "Gustav") varients, possibly the V-50.
An easy way to accent engraved panel lines that isn't too obtrusive is to use a sharpened mechanical pencil. The inexpensive, disposable BIC mechanical pencils from WalMart work fine. After painting the camo, sharpen the pencil's 'lead' on 220 grit paper, then just let it ride in the engraved panel line grooves. It will need to be sealed with clear when finished, and care must be taken to avoid smudges while drawing the lines.
Much faster and easier than multiple painting steps and chart tape. Although, those methods are great for creating panel lines on surfaces that aren't engraved.
Please be sure to post a few pics of it when its done.
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You're welcome. Thank you for the info on the kit. From the pics & 3-view, the version represented by that kit appears to be one of the converted G (or "Gustav") varients, possibly the V-50.
An easy way to accent engraved panel lines that isn't too obtrusive is to use a sharpened mechanical pencil. The inexpensive, disposable BIC mechanical pencils from WalMart work fine. After painting the camo, sharpen the pencil's 'lead' on 220 grit paper, then just let it ride in the engraved panel line grooves. It will need to be sealed with clear when finished, and care must be taken to avoid smudges while drawing the lines.
Much faster and easier than multiple painting steps and chart tape. Although, those methods are great for creating panel lines on surfaces that aren't engraved.
Please be sure to post a few pics of it when its done.
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Hey Darin, I know this cant help you at the time presently, but I have seen on mulitple occasions for sale an all glass ME109 on EBAY. I wish I could be more specific of the type or vender of the aircraft but I know they werent going for cheap.
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Hey Darin, I know this cant help you at the time presently, but I have seen on mulitple occasions for sale an all glass ME109 on EBAY. I wish I could be more specific of the type or vender of the aircraft but I know they werent going for cheap.
Hey Darin, I know this cant help you at the time presently, but I have seen on mulitple occasions for sale an all glass ME109 on EBAY. I wish I could be more specific of the type or vender of the aircraft but I know they werent going for cheap.

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So far so good, Darin. Been flying a lot of 2548, SSC, and the E-3696 planes. I think the 3696 birds are going to be fun, they are about 12th scale, and the speeds around SSC speeds, around 50 mph straight and level. So far i've built a Yak modified from Gus Morfis plans, a Macchi-202 using an old Warbirds, LTD glass fuse and some Lee Liddle cores, a scratch built Brewster Buffalo, and a modified F8F from an old Warzone kit. I'll post pics of them later if you like..
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Do it Cash, I'd like to see the pictures.
Headed to Denton on March 24th for the Spads Over Texas thing. No real combat, but I'll have a couple dogfighters to play with whatever else shows up. It was a fun break last year and all we did was fly fly and fly.
I'd like to see your E 3696 planes.
Headed to Denton on March 24th for the Spads Over Texas thing. No real combat, but I'll have a couple dogfighters to play with whatever else shows up. It was a fun break last year and all we did was fly fly and fly.
I'd like to see your E 3696 planes.
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Clean!!! DUDE!!! It's been a long time, man, How's it goin'? You ever see Sheepy anymore? Tell him I said hi. I'm going to go ahead and post the pics and some info on a new thread, don't want to hi-jack this thread anymore than I already have...
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