okay this might not be the right catogory.im new after all
i seen combat and thought guns so heres my q



has any one ever put like...........bb plastic pellet guns or bb paint ball guns onto a plane

i just thought that would be so cool
ESPECIALLy on a helicopter painting a target while hovering
so have they?

Not that i now of...U COULD BE THE FIRST..start working on it and let us know how it goes

i will as soon as i can get a couple more planes maybe 2 under my belt and learn to fly well
and buy a helicopter

I think the Helicopter would be a better idea.u could hover and then aim and shhot..u wouldnt need to be moving

I've seen video of model rockets going off of an RC Helicopter. Guy lives in Australia I believe

hahahahahahhaha i was saying that to a friend the other day and that it would be so cool to at holloween ltake the copter up to a certain height
and then unleash the rockets
that would be so cool to see

I was thinking about doing something like this the other day. I know the rules so etc. I have shot paintballs before and something like that would not be hard to hook up, it would probably be heavy but it would be releativly safe and have realitive little damage to another plane or person. BB would be easier but could be a lot more danagerous and distructive.

I had a tube and drop mechanism for paint ball in a
Sureflite P-39.
It worked Ok but I( the pilot ) never got to see where
they hit. also they useally did not break . Loo low velocity?
anyway good luck

im amazed! if that question had been posed in the jet forum, someone would have read you your rights!

Its possible arright. Get a gas powered bb gun. Then fiddle round with the trigger and voila. That would actually be very interesting, i should try that. Alltough a bb/gas gun costs bout 600 bucks.......less perhaps. Yapp, bout 40 to 50 shots, and little weight, the most would probably be the gas.

OK enough allready

checkout swampworks.com
for guns
the jet people have enough of a B word with thier large fuel tanks
and high speed to cover all of the 4rest of us
most of us are intreged ( spelling_() with the mechanics of the device .... without the BS from the law maker citizens
enough said
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I've seen miniature vulcan BB cannons online before. Would it be possible to mount these on some giant 1/4 scale planes and have all or nothing battles where the loser gets his plane shot down.

One of the first things that got me interested in model airplanes, other than being conceived in the flight path of Forbes Air-force Base and loving airplanes ever since, was a movie on Kookla, Fran and Ollie's show that was about how a group of children friends and one of their grandpa's foiled a diamond smuggling plot where diamonds were sent over the English channel in an RC airplane. These rocket scientists, patriots of course, knocked down the RC airplane by shooting it down with darts from their modified RC scale Spitfires.

Hey!!! I was a kid, I ate it up!

Now to reality for some grownups and hopefully soon to be grownups.

The top RC combat pilots in the nation find it hard enough to put the prop of their airplane in the streamer of their intended victims so that they rather rely on long wings with sticky stuff on them. I'm not one of the top pilots by the way, but at the height of my combat career (so far I hope, just a wee break) I could regularly chase down my victims and remove their streamer with prop or wing. But back away and pull a trigger? It's hard enough for gunners on aircraft with manual guns that swivel for them to calculate lead on an aircraft, let alone hit them with fixed guns without being in the cockpit. Even then, not everyone is a combat pilot. Now you want to try and do it from the ground with aircraft that are at a distance and traveling at a pretty good clip?

The sonic systems used by the new electric war-birds distribute a dispersed sonic stream in a cone that I can't remember the specifics on, but it is fairly limited and the only way it works is because the cone extends out AND is on all the time AND more importantly doesn't hurt anything else it hits that gets in the path, like cars, windows, PEOPLE!!!

Would it be cool? Yeah. Is it possible? Yeah. Does the wow factor make it a reasonable thing to attempt. Hell NO! Is it illegal? I do believe there are laws against arming aircraft with guns and in the modern times, this could probably be applied to model aircraft too. Oh, they know you;re just playing around with model airplanes, but it would take you some pretty nice lawyer fees to learn your lesson I bet. And the negative publicity in a press that we've already been warned about by the AMA to refer to them to keep people who are just having normal (they think) conversations with the press are gleefully turned into homeland terrorists.

Keep going down the gun path and see how long it is before flying RC airplanes is illegal.

Devil's advocate note.....

Of course, I regularly drop water-bombs from my airplane. Wonder what the press would do with that? I guess the big difference is that the bombs, unlikely to do damage to people (at least the ones that have hit me haven't) do not propel from the front of the aircraft and are fairly controlled.

If you want to do something about dropping things from your aircraft, we can go down that route. You wanna play combat with your airplane. I can show you safe and legal ways to do it. You want to shoot rockets and guns off your airplane, go somewhere else like the model ship groups that can do this safely.

shootin rockets from model aircraft is quite possible and has been done many times. The problem is of course aiming. It's almost impossible to hit something with them. Could be done just for fun, though.

If you are gonna do this be careful who you tell, some people might not approve.



How about this for effect?

I told you, sooner or later, someone was bound to read you your rights. in the Jet forum you would have been handcuffed and had a cattle prod applied to your --------

Rockets are so cool to shoot from a plane. Sometimes we use them the launch the plane ( 4 d sized engines ) Or sometimes we install 2 or 3 rockets underneath the plane , come in on a low slow fly by, go into a hover, and launch the rockets straight up. Awsome. Safe? Hell no. But what a kick in the pants!

OK, for all you who fly in the USA with AMA.

AMA rules prohibit any powered projectile launch from any airplane. Powered includes CO2 and spring powered BB guns, and unguided rockets.

All pyrotechnics are prohibited, except for powering the airplane itself. This allows the use of model rocket engines for JATO, or to power an air dropped r/c model.

Recap: Under AMA you can not put an unguided rocket, or any form of gun on your plane and have AMA coverage.

Beyond that, face the lawyers on your own.

Bill.

Is that all you can add to this thread? It is not that bad.


Please read what Bill has wrote, as it is unsafe and not covered.

Thanks

im a car guy and dont have planes.
but the illegal part .....i mean i fyou had a couple guys who flew together on some upstate/back woods/farm property i think they could set up a shooting system with out major worries.
i think...remember i dont fly them just watch.

and as far as the trouble with getting someone streaming and then trying to "shoot" them outta the air.
what is you limited the steering so that its easy to lock on and follow someone?
i dont mean just make straight flyers, but just tweaked it so you have a bigger turn radius(right words?)?

can you make a styrofoam plane witha bb shooter in it? that be cheap to shoot down.
dunno just my thought after coming over to the "higher" side of the hobby.-

as for the guns, check out
skunkworks.com
the boat people have been doing it for some time
and as for ama coverage. I am sure that a good investigator
can and will get almost any claim denied

have FUN
isn't that what its supposed to be about

Fwiw, I think the guns used on the RC Combat ships have too low a muzzle velocity to be at all effective in air-to-air combat. I could be wrong though. After all, they have strict rules about having very thin balsa hulls, and the spectators and captains don't seem overly concerned with BBs skipping off the water in their direction.

I do think effective guns on an RC plane is just asking for trouble, but if you are careful, you might be able to manage the risks. My biggest worry would be getting shot while flying one of the planes. Spectators and anyone near by as well. The BBs have to land somewhere eventually. Beyond that, I'd worry about taking hits to the radio gear and getting a fly away situation.

In streamer chasing combat, most of the time a mid-air hard enough to take out the Rx or battery will also cause the plane to go more or less straight down, or in a lawn-dart-style arc. This is because the act of hitting another plane take away a lot of the energy involved, stopping (or nearly stopping) the plane. A BB cutting a wire isn't going to do anything to slow the plane down, so it's going to keep going straight and fast until something happens.

If you're going to do this, be really really really sure you are way out in the middle of nowhere. Personally, I wouldn't bother, too dangerous and expensive for not enough fun.

Montague:

Do you prefer Capulets as opponents?

Haw. Couldn't resist.

Bill.

Mr. Robinson
your subtle reference to the Bard took me a while to remember.

Mr Montague
your points are well taken, one of the fliers in my area and I
engaged in a no holds barred ribbon combat.
WOW ,,,, I have one less plane now.
all these years with out a mid air.

still the mechanisms of war are intriguing.

Capulets, hmm, as if I haven't heard that joke before, huh? Actually, it is my middle name, and was my grandfather's first name, and goes back farther than that in the family.

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention about guns and rockets on RC aircraft. You'd really need to make sure you have an idiot proof safety interlock system to avoid fireing off your ordence on the ground in the pits. All you'd have to do it turn on the TX and RX with the switch in the wrong position because it got bumped, and I bet things would get real exciting real fast. Even funnier (when seen on video on "America's stupid human tricks") would be bumping the trigger while setting the needle valve or such. I figure a running engine, lack of solid control on the TX, and some kind of projectiles all at the same time should be good for some really dramatic video. Espeically if you get a good fire going on the field box .

So, could you do this kind of thig? Yes. Can you do it safely? Maybe. Do I think the average guy I see at the field on Sunday can do it with out eventually breaking something or killing someone? Nope, it's a disaster waiting for a place to happen. YMMV.