did you have to un-register your g3 before the buyer could register and use it?

thanks, ernie

AHHhaa!
I was right!!!
My computer will not support the new G4 very well!! My worries are true!!! CRAP!

Could anyone that has this new sim tell me one thing!!!!!
Did they put in any new engines in the SIM, or is it the SAME OLD TIRES SOUNDING engines they have had in the sim the dawn of time,
and if they left the engines the same, did they bother fix the wieght of the moki engine?????? Or is it still weigh like 12 oz?????

If they did add more engines, did they bother to get the 3D sound on the engines correct so when you are doing rolling harriers, you get that "rwomp, rwomp, grrwomp,"
sound; Instead of the "grrrhrhrrheerhrrrhr"??????//// Please tell me they at the very least FIXED that!!!!!!!

If they fixed those issues they have a winner in my book!!! Those were the things that they sound have made SURE that they fixed those issues!

Thanks
Justin

No, I'm not saying that loading the worst field and the worst aircraft and setting all of your settings to the highest possible indicates that G4 is worthless ... What I said was that some of the users are making a comparison and to do so they've all loaded ... http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18612 ... And I certainly DIDN'T say that G4 was WORTHLESS!!!

What I said was that even with a very good computer system you will not be able to utilize the program capabilities ... how could that possibly make the program worthless?? If anything it indicates that you're getting a lot for your money ... just not something that you'll be able to use unless you have a very good "gaming" system. Something that most of us don't have. So, Buy G4, just don't expect it to run it at optimum efficiency on your system.

I'm sorry - you said that the Ultimate flew better with G4 ... "And this Ultimate flies pretty much like my RW one." that, to me indicated that it was flying better then it did in G3. Sorry for the mis-understanding. I'm glad that you feel like you got a good deal ... most people who have already bought G4 have paid $200.

I'm surpirsed to hear that you're getting better performance with G4 then you were with G3 - no more blurring background at Alpine Valley - most people seem to be seeing the opposite because they've had to turn down their graphics settings so much to get decent FPS (screen rates).

Here's a better explanaition then I can give ...


I don't have a high end machine - I probably spend too much money buying plane stuff - I also don't think that getting rid of all of my add-on planes and all of the planes that I've downloaded from KnfeEdge's site is worth gaining water ... but, to each his own. It's obvious that without a high end machine you're not going to gain much by upgrading from G3 to G4. Or, maybe it's not so obvious?

You've based your conclusions on a very specific selection of the test result that does NOT illustrate the probability for utilization of the program's capabilities.

I have a very good computer system and setup that same test. I got about what everyone who reported in that other thread got. AND THEN I DID SOMETHING. I did it because I'd just been flying off that sucker and having a ball. Only I hadn't bothered to look at the fps readout. The reason I hadn't noticed the readout was because I hadn't seen anything that caused me to question the performance of the program. WHAT I DID was fly the sucker. It flew great. No stuttering, no blinking, just nice flying. But I'd been flying before with the Cub and the PBY. So I went back to them to see if I'd missed something with them and dang......... turns out when they're on the water sitting there, the fps sucks. And don't make a bit of difference.

As for the G4 not operating at optimum efficiency on my system, I'll be stomped flat and rolled in a ball, if I have seen it not operate without anything that seems less than great. As for what the fps says, I'd suggest they have a bug all right. In that fps readout. But truth is, when the airplanes are flying, there is nothing I see to indicate that the specific test does anything other than show some funny numbers that seem to indicate little of value.

If you'd like to test anything, you'd be well advised to use more than one specific test. To draw a conclusion from tests, they should be applicable and extensive enough to exercise the product thoroughly.

Have you actually flown that Bell off that dock? That should tell you whether or not G4 operates up to expectations. And what will tell you isn't the reading of some software, but how the heli flies. I know for a fact that the Cub and the PBY do really good. And I haven't turned anything down yet. Matter of fact, I've turned a couple of default setting up. I didn't even think to look at them when I started using G4 simply because it looked so good from the gitgo I assumed every graphic option must have been maxed. But that test wanted everything maxed so I looked.

Will G4 stress the average system? I don't have one. So somebody else will have to answer that. And when they answer, it would be nice if they'd also report if they can fly that Bell off the dock if only to make that test of some value at all.

Truth is, that can only be obvious if you don't have a high end machine and you actually upgrade from G3 to G4 and judge how it goes.

Run your own tests I really don't care - I was sharing information that I thought others could beneift from.

Jim Bourke the Senior Sargeant, Top Guy, Big Muckie Muck at KnifeEdge Software said: "Water consumes a lot of graphics processing power when it is turned up to HIGHEST quality. At LOW quality it consumes very little.

Everything that is rendered by the sim takes some time. If you run the sim at high resolution, full AA, with quality levels HIGHEST, only a very high end machine will net you 30 fps.

...Since the physics run at a high rate all the time you should be tailoring your graphical quality to something in the 45 fps range or so. You can go down to 30 or even 25 fps if you like ...

If you'd like to dispute what he has to say - feel free. I happen to be someone who wants to listen and learn from what he has to say ... but hey that's just me.

The fact is that most people will begin to see a differrence - call it flutter or jumping, whatever you like - at anything less then 60fps. That has to do with the way the brain processes moving images, some sort of scientific fact stuff. If you're getting 25 fps and not seeing any "difference", then good for you. You probably have a better ability to slur slow moving images in your brain. Either that or your brain just moves slower then the rest of us ... Even the head honcho guy says that you should tailor your system for 45 fps... by turning the graphics DOWN!

Some people need all of that eye candy - others don't. For those of us who don't then why buy G4? For those of us who do, realize that a high end machine will be required. That's information that people should be aware of. That and the fact that the head honcho says that: "If you run the sim at high resolution, full AA, with quality levels HIGHEST, only a very high end machine will net you 30 fps."

I'm sure people will benefit from it if they put it into perspective. So give some perspective. The test was an absolute max one.

Who's disputing what the guy said. The explanation is simple. The game also runs almost everything pretty good. Even that isolated fps readout test. The airplane flew in that test pretty good. OK, on my machine, pretty great. And isn't to be feared. And could run at optimum efficiency quite easily if the airplanes or choppers you fly aren't the fps hogs, and if the flying fields you like to fly on aren't fps hogs. I just now chose to fly an Ultimate at a couple of fields. I got excellent fps at all of them. I also flew all the different gliders at all the slopes and got excellent fps. And noticed the quite extraordinary clouds. They came past in wisps. An extra I've not seen before, and quite an interesting and useful feature. And darned if I thought to see what the fps meter was saying because I didn't notice anything that would suggest that my machine was giving optimum efficiency.

Today was pretty good flying weather at the club field. 70 degrees, blue sky with 50%-60% cumulus, and almost no wind. And too soon a front came up and started very light showers. So I came home before I was flown out.

So I got out G4 to fly some. Got to admit that I wasn't in the least interested in how efficient or retarded it might or might not be. I just flew for awhile.

And while I was just flying, I flew the Bird of Time and a couple of other gliders at all the slopes. Darn if they didn't make those slopes look good. And they work really good too. I played around with the windspeed a bit. Mostly I made it fluctuate because that's how it is in the real world. And I noticed the way G4 pushes some clouds by one of the slopes. Excellent graphic detail, plus the overall cloud movement does in the sim just what it did in RL. It tells the wind direction. I'd turned off the floating arrows in the sky deal. They seem a bit silly, but then so do the floating hoops and such. Different strokes, you know.

I also flew the Cub a bit. I flew a new one for a flying buddy today at the field and it flew good after trimming it out, so I figured to compare RL with the sim. I duplicated the wind we had today and picked a field that's somewhat close to ours. I didn't get to fly but a flight or two before supper and was still dinking with the wind settings, but I'd give it a passing mark and expect it to do better next session. Which I think will be RIGHT NOW...... tired of typing. It's dark and raining and I think I'll go where it's nice and sunny and I can make the wind direction and speed anything I choose. see ya

Hay Guys...
I was notified that my G4 will arrive tomorrow. I also have all four Expansion Packs...so I will reload them too.

I wonder if G3.5 will cause problems with G4 ?

I plan to keep G3.5 loaded on my computer...and install G4, and then re-install my Expansion packs.

Soft Landings always,
Bobby of Maui

hey just came back from Maui, beutiful place and great food but i did not search for flying sites, how's the weather? and where do you fly
Fernando

WOW>>>>>>>>>>>&gt ;>>.

DId you read my prevy request?????
COuld anyone tell about the SIM?
Am I in the right place?
Frame rates? GIga bytes and RAM?
what the ???? Are we still talking about what G4 is like and how it is different that the prevy g3.5?

Actually, if you look at the subject of this thread, we're talking about G4 coming. So the discussion is about lots of things about it coming.

It would be a good idea if you would like a focused discussion, to start a thread with a title that'll focus the posts. We got plenty of room for more threads. [8D]

ORIGINAL: da Rock



Then It might be a better Idea that you start a Forum that is Titled,
"g4 and FRAME RATES Vrses: quality and Performance"

Just a thought...

No, none of that has changed. But, at least the graphics frame rates are slower!

I am wondering since you guys have been using G3 and 3.5 can you tell me if the 3 version series will work ok on my lap top? I have a 1.6g hertz cpu with 2g of ram. My computer has the Intel 945 mobile express chipset for video. Any advice would be appreciated. I bought this computer in March of this year and it is all I have to run Real Flight G3.5.
Thanks...Franko

Just installed one of the expansion packs. Went to one of the fields and flew one of the included models. The field looked a bit like an old military base I'd flown contests at back in the day, so that was why I chose it. The model was a Tiger2 which I had, and because of that and the fact I now fly a Tiger60 a lot, is why I chose the model.

After trying a few things I want to learn, it dawned on me that I ought to see if the FPS were ruining my experience. Turns out I was getting way more than 100fps.

So I went to the Airforce Museum field, one that I used to like in G3.5 but that suffered a bit from the blurries in that version. I wanted to see if the new, improved graphics were really improved and just how badly that F-105 looked and if the new graphics stuttered. The 105 looks real now. And I got no stutters because I was getting really good fps. I still have everything maxed for graphics. This upgrade was worth it. And I still have the $75 merchandise rebate to send in.

>>>So I went to the Airforce Museum field, one that I used to like in G3.5 but that suffered a bit from the blurries in that version. I wanted to see if the new, improved graphics were really improved and just how badly that F-105 looked and if the new graphics stuttered. The 105 looks real now. And I got no stutters because I was getting really good fps. I still have everything maxed for graphics. This upgrade was worth it. And I still have the $75 merchandise rebate to send in.

The upgrade to G4 did that for you, or did you upgrade anything in your computer as well?

Thanks,

Ernie

Uninstalled G3.5 and installed G4

I have noticed one thing that is important to me. The turbulence seems to be improved.

It is a completely subjective thing, but I never got the turbulence to feel realistic in G3/G3.5 and I tested that a fair amount. With my newly installed G4, I tried setting it, thinking, "here we go again", and darned if the first setting gave pretty obvious results. And it seemed realistic to me. I've since changed it a bit to see how it works over the range of values, and it continues to feel real. I'm pleased. And not entirely sure it wasn't just me. But you know, subjective things are like that.

I know a little bit about software development. I had bought G3.5 right before they announced G4, so I looked into G4. I was actually releived that I hadn't really wasted money on G3.5 because G4 is the same "engine". G4 is a continuation of the G3.5 software, it is not a whole new thing. It has some whole new things in it, like water (which will take more processing power than non-water maps), but it is still just a continuation of the G3.5 software. In my case, I was relieved because I am using to just start learning so there is no reason at all for me to care about G4 because for my purposes there is really no difference between G3.5 and G4. I would say that applied to anyone else like me who has never flown before and just bought G3.5 recently. Forget about G4, it won't make any difference too you.

Now, for seasoned pilots that use it for other reasons, I'm guessing G4 will be loaded with new stuff that you will like. But all this worry over it taking more processing power and a more powerful computer is unwarrented. G4 is G3.5. They've just done more work on it. In fact, it may actually run faster in some regards. If G3.5 runs good on your current computer, then so will G4. You might encounter a problem using the water maps, but then again if they've provided a "wimpy water effect" to step down too for those without $4000 gaming hot rod machines you might not even have a problem with water... the water just won't look as good when turned down (if it has that option).

So if you run G3.5 fine, then G4 will work on your computer because it is the same software. They've just done more work on it.

Bobby,

I have G3.5 and all Add-Ons, 1-5 and all four Expansion Packs, 1-4. I installed G4, and there were no problems. I then registered G4 and downloaded the latest update. No problems. I still have the G3.5 launcher icon on my desktop. Then I unplugged the G4 controller and plugged in the G3 controller and launched G3.5, and it works fine.

So, from my experience there are no problems with having both loaded in the same computer.

-Tom

Can anyone tell me why or how, some multiplayer sites have chase and cockpit camera view and others do not. As well I cannot active those controls when flying solo. Any help or suggestions?
Thanks.....

It will run, but not the way it will if it is installed on a machine with a dedicated graphics card.