madmorgan

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remember though vibes will cause the fbl controller to act up so you definately want a good balanced head/tail  and pay attention to the blades as grass stains and bug guts will throw things out  ask me how i know lol.

rcpilot1982

ok so its normal for the servo to return to center at a delayed rate when the stick is moved and released.I cant understand how i would get fast response during cyclic command.Also is swash mix still used to control pitch movement up and down? since the radio is set to 90 degree 1 servo

madmorgan

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you have to remember with it sitting on the bench , and flying it in the air are 2 totally differant modes for that controller in the air the servos arent going to return to center they are going to do what they are told to either by you or by the controller as goggles said.  the bird isnt going to auto hover itself !  if you tell it to go forward at a certain nose down pitch its going to try and maintain that pitch until told to do otherwise. now i would say you have a problem if you  pushed the cyclic fwd and it took the servo 1 sec or 2 seconds to get there  dont sweat the small stuff. besides that question was answered with a video  lol !

i guess i dont understand your question about swash mixing?  the controller calculates for no flybar  i have no idea how they work they just do again dont sweat the small stuff.

rcpilot1982

yeah i i plug a servo in the fbl and move the aileron.The servo moves slower than it does if i grab the fbl unit and move it around.The servo also returns back to center kind of slow.If i plug the servo into the receiver direct it move fast as i move the stick and if i push forward elevator for instance and let go of the stick the servo will snap back to center with the stick snapping back to center.You know what i mean? with the servo plugged into the fbl unit the servo moves slower on my command and eaven slower on return to center'?? so the fbl has a problem'?

Goggles

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Again, I'll try and answer this the simplest way possible.

Post 21: Yes

Post 23: Yes

Post 27: Yes

Post 29: No.

Now lets confuse you a bit more, you can make your servos move faster if you change your end points or % value of your servo movement, but leave it at 100% instead of jacking it up to 125 or 150%. Since you have not flown this machine yet, you have no idea how fast the servos are going to be once it's actually flying. Set up your controller as per manual and GO FLY! Then adjust as needed to suit your flying style.

Oh btw, have you looked at your rudder movements? In head hold mode your blades don't return to center or are ultra slow also. Have a nice day.

rcpilot1982

Ok i used the copy of the manual and i got it right i think.With the radio set to 90 degree i servo.I have all three servos moving up and down with the throttle stick.Looking at the heli from the back if you tilt it forward,the swash moves back.If you roll it to the left then the swash counters to the right and vice versa,and then levels out when the heli is back on level surface.Now i just have to lower the collective pitch throw because at full throttle the swash goes high enough that if i give some forward elevator the anti rotation pin hits the top inside of the anti rotation bracket.

Now this sets up like a typical flybar heli in that with the throttle centerd,the 2 arms that are there are 90 degrees correct? what i did find though is that with the swash centerd the anti rotation pin is towards the top of the anti rotation bracket not in the center is this ok? all the pitch rods and servo rods are setup per the manual,although i know its a rough measurement to get you in the right area.But then again?

madmorgan

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yes  the washout arms will look the same as on a fb head (mid stick ,arm parellel ) all you did was remove the fb and cage and added box that makes up for no fb.

Goggles

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What is your pitch at midstick?

rcpilot1982

I dont know that yet.I got the fbl unit doing what i think its supposed to as of now.I started building a Logo 700 extreme to take a brake.It was a bit confusing at first as far as the gyro correction setting

What is a good 450 speed control a scorpion 45 amp or castle creations ice 50 amp.I have a Turnegy sk3 heli drive 3600kv motor that says it pulls 50 amps max,is a 40 or 45 amp sc ok in that case or does that mean i need a 50 amp

madmorgan

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i guess i dont understand now you have a 700? sounds like your spending money to get more helis when you should be focusing on 1 getting good electronics to learn onand then progress onto the next bigger and more expensive birds, but then again its your cash have fun. and no if your motor is rated for 50 amps i would get a 75 amp to be in the safe zone , if you used a 45 amp esc and the motor draws 50 amps odds are your going to see smoke!

rcpilot1982

man i thought a 50 amp sc on a 450 was allready overkill? a 75 is kind of big aint it?.Does it matter what the cell burst rate is to feed it a certain amount of amps? i ran a 3s 11.1 volt 20c battery through this hobby king yep 45 amp sc through this turnegy heli drive sk3 competition series 3600kv competition series motor for two full charges at full throttle non stop until the battery was at a safe cutoff level and the speed control nor the motor got warm.Is that because the batts a 20c..? i did not try my pulse ultra 45c and 35c batterys yet though.I orderd an Casle creations ice 50amp sc last night.Are you saying that it cant handle a turnegy sk3 motor? i should have got an 75 amp?? that sc was $85.Also i did get good electronics for all of them.Futaba s9257, beast sx,castle creations,Align.I was excited about buying these ice 50 sc's that really ps me off.

Goggles

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Does that mean you ran it on the bench or actually flew it?

I was just looking at the Align 450 combo from Grandrc and here is the motor and esc it comes with:
â—�RCE-BL35P 35A Brushless ESC X 1
â—�450MX Brushless motor(3400KV) X 1

I don't really know much about motors and esc admittedly, so I can't comment on the setup you need.
I was thinking of putting together a 700E but I need to do lots of homework on the right setup first.

madmorgan

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the info on that motor you said pulled 50 amps  and asked if a 45 amp esc would handle it threw me off i guess.  40a esc should be more than enough on a 450. that logo 700 your probably looking at 8 to 12s system (more than likely 12s) your better off googling that 1 though. also the pinion makes or breaks a setup too theres a few head speed calculators out theremthat will tell you what pinion etc you will want to use depending on what you have or have to get.

rcpilot1982

yeah goggles i ran the head and tail with no blades on the bench.I bought the same turnegy heli drive sk3 competition series motor for my Furion 450, my mini titan E325 v2 flybarless,and Beam E4.On the back of the motors box it says it pulls 50 amps max.The speed controls i bought are Hobbywing platinum 40 or 45 amp, Yep 45, and this Castle creations ice 50.Should i change the order to a ice 60 or 75 or what ever they make?.Will the 450 get off the ground with a 75 amp ESC.I need to know quick before its too late and they ship.I thought i was doing good with this good cheap motor,but did not think it was too much for an $85 50 amp ESC??

Goggles

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[link=http://www.hobbypartz.com/07e-c-platinum-40a.html]http://www.hobbypartz.com/07e-c-platinum-40a.html[/link]

Is this the esc you got? if so it says:
Output: Continuous 40A, burst 60A up to 10 seconds.

So, Mad correct me if I'm wrong, if the motor is burst 50A and the esc is burst 60A, would the esc he picked out work?
I'm asking this for my own information as well.

madmorgan

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well in the boating end of the hobby we try to leave a 15 % - 25% extra on the upper end of the overall amp draw but he should be fine with a 50a esc on the 450 sized most only use 40a.  and truthfully when the heli bogs to try and climb and when batts start getting low is the hardest amp draws in the flight. high volts= low amps  low volts = high amps. dont take them specs to heart either alot of em are bogus unless your looking at scorpions, castle etc.

rcpilot1982

Yeah man something is not right here.I checked out a web site with castle creation speed controls for 450 class helies,and it showed the best 450's there are like the furion 450, beam 450 ,rave 450 , trex and etc....with the best most expensive brushless motors like Hacker, Scorpion, Align and so on and it eaven mentioned pinion gear setups that varied.Witch mentioned they were extreme 3D setups and the only speed control mentioned was the Ice 50 and ice 50 lite.Then when i got to the 500 class helis is where the Ice 75 and Ice 100 were mentioned.I have a $26 motor....lol...now i learned alot from this post.I left 2 messages with heli direct and told them to give me the ice 75 but i have to call and confirm it first so i really need help.I am not going to waste $86 on a sc that is good enough if $101 can get me security.what should i do? is the ice 75 to big for a 450? is that the route a pro would take.Or would they go with the 50 to keep weight down and get a replacement free if it blows, and the 75 amp is good for someone who cares about $100 and the heli will fly fine with some added weight but much added security?

rcpilot1982

What i just found was that the hobbyking YEP 45 amp sc is 63g...the castle creations ice 75 is 56.7g...and the castle creations ice 75 lite is 28.9g....maby the ice 75 lite would be the best choice since its much liter than even a 45 amp sc that is on the lower end of the amp rating for a 450.while a 50 amp is overkill??? but then again even the normal metal body ice 75 is liter than the 45 amp esc i have.So even that normal 75 ice esc is ok.

rcpilot1982

For electronics for my Miniature aircraft x-cell furion 450 i got a Futaba gy502 gyro and few speed controls for all my helis.I got a Scorpion 60 amp commander 6 cell.I also got some Castle creations ice 50 amp speed controls.Also a Futaba s9257.The furion will have the gy520 and the futaba s9257,scorpion commander 60.Also could i use a 3cell lipo on the 6 cell or can you only use a 6 cell on that? dumb question i know but??

Was $140 for the Futaba gy520 good investment or was i ok with a Detrum gy48v???

Goggles

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The GY520 is a good Gyro, I have it on my 500 but I would have paid less for it. I just quickly looked on RunRyder and there was one for $70 and another for $90. But that's just me, I'm cheap.

rcpilot1982

I just got it deliverd today and i cant believe how small it is.My Scorpion 60 amp commander speed control came also and another one of my Castle creations ice 50 speed controls.I cant belive how small the scorpion 60 amp speed control is either.

I wanted to ask,the brown and red wire in the reciever wire bundle coming from my scorpion speed control looks like something ground against it as it the wire hit the spinning mototr or a soldering iron hit it and on the red wire the insulation wore down just about to the wire as i can see a trace of the silver wire.This came like this from the factory.Do you guys think this is normal manufacturing? or what would you do? i got this speed control for a discount of $100 because it was the last one and it was sealed.In the origional package.

It looks like it hit a spinning motor as we probally all have had that

ehirobo ehirobo

got it sorted for the copterX CX-3x1000 yet. if anything not clear I will try my best to solve it for you.

rcpilot1982

ok and for the mini titan v2 flybarless is the radio still set to 90 1 servo swash operation if using the copter x3x1000 fbl unit,someone is telling me that you set the radio to 120 degree for this heli