Just wondering (I did a search) the older shuttles have the flybar located above the mainblades! The newer shuttles have the flybar under the mainblades. What would be considered the best?
What are the differences in flying characteristics?

The Raptor has it above the head, the Sceadu has it under the head. I really don't think it affects the flying characteristics, it's the whole head that has an effect on the flying with it's bell/hiller mixing ratios, leading or lagging blade pitch controls etc...
So which one is better? I like the flybar to be under the rotors so the head can have a head button that is fixed to the shaft and not wobbly like an aftermarket button of the Raptor.

Look at it this way,,it's like a sports a lower the center of gravity,, make the car more agile,, with the copter if the blades are lower in relation to the body,the copter will be more agile,,where the blades are will depend on the flybar,,I like the Raptor 30,,to me it's the best set up out of all the copters i've flown,, shuttle,nexus,xcell60,concept30,

The concept 30 has the blades and flybar on the same plane. The Spindle is actually 2 seprate bolts.

The Kalt ZR also was on the same plane with a flapping head. One of the best .30 helos in its day...

Yes true,, the Concept did have the flapping head,, and because of that it lost some agility,, it made the copter soft,,

NO WONDER!!! That heli was way too soft for me!! I like the raptor MUCH better!! I never knew what a flapping head was, and to have one right under my very nose!! ACK!! My raptor is a lot more responsove and thus easier to fly than my concept 30 was!

Though having no button on the head gets the palm nice and tough after a while.

I new Thunder Tigers Raptor had the Flybar above the mains. That is why I was curious to ask the location question. I wonder why TT adopted this particular design for the Rotor Head? Less parts = less problems not a cheaper kit to me!
Thanks guys I'm still going to save for the .50 Sceadu

I new Thunder Tigers Raptor had the Flybar above the main That is why I was curious to ask the location question. I wonder why TT adopted this particular design for the Rotor Head? Less parts = less problems not a cheaper kit to me!
Thanks guys I'm still going to save for the .50 Sceadu



What do you want from the Sceadu ? It has a higher center of dravity,,so Raptor 50 will still be more agile, unless your looking for quality from the Sceadu,

Not trying to start a flame war so all I want is facts, no hear-say or opinions.

What is the real difference between the R50 and the S50?
(i.e. better bearings, better head, better tail design, better power to weight)

I don't want to know which one is better for a beginer or an expert I just want a side by side heli comparison, I don't care about manuals either, just one fully built and setup heli next to the other with the same engine, radio, and servos. This is from the box, too... no upgrades.

I'm not very well educated about either Heli. I just figure Hirobo has been offering great products for many years. Lots of guys and gals have learned on Shuttles. How can it be wrong to choose a company with an excellent track record?

While Hirobo has a track record Ace has none when it comes to helis. This is new for them so we really can't use a track record in a case like this.

Sorry, may I point out I'm not looking for a new Heli or a first Heli. I am already in the air flying a Hirobo shuttleXX. That is why I was wondering about TT's adoption of the Flybar.

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"Ace has none when it comes to helis"
That is my point! That is why I want a Sceadu 50 for my second Heli.

Hmmm.

No offense but what the heck is Hmmm ?
thought mods were suppose to put fires out not start them. Instead of Hmmming why not try hhhhelping!

To keep things on track here I have machines with flybars both over and under the main blades. I really don't think there is a big difference. I've seen the subject debated ad nauseum on the net with no definitive advantage of one over the other. One claim is that with the flybar over the mains the paddles are in clean air out of the rotor wash hence better response and stability. The flybar under the mains gives maybe a little better linkage geometry.

I have 2 raptors and have flown a bunch of shuttles. I've also seen the sceadu and there are advantages and disadvantages to all of them. I honestly would consider it a draw between the 2 and don't think you could go wrong with either.

On Raptors the things that I'd change are the swashplate and washout hub. The stock, as well as the metal, swash plate develops a lot of play. They work ok but to really tighten up the machine put on a Quick UK Swash and a good tight metal washout base and it makes all the difference.

A friend that flies shuttles put a metal swash and hub on one of his and it flies much nicer also.

Again it's pretty much a toss up so chose what you are comfortable with.

Sorry to have to put the Hmm out there, but hirobo doesnt have the perfect tract record either, nobody does, some are just a little better than others, they all have problems.

Thanks

(blowing out fire)