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Old 05-29-2002 | 05:44 PM
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ok, here is the situation.
crappy 50 with an OS46, 550T with 8700G. boom mounted servo (with one servo extension), carbon push rod, engine runs smooth, no vibration in hover, new glow plug.
after flying for two or three minutes the tail servo starts twitching, the longer flying the more it twitches. does it as well with gyro gain to 0%, HH and non HH. no twitching with engine off or idle. does twitch at low RPM the same than at high RPM. does twitch in FF the same than in hover. tail belt is tight and not slipping.
did fly with the exact same setup for a couple of tanks and no problems, this started all of the sudden. NONE of the of servos a twitching. frequency check comes out CLEAR.

any ideas where i could start looking... at this point it could be almost anything... any input?

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Old 05-29-2002 | 06:30 PM
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Sounds to me like the servo is trying to tell you it is about to quit working. Seen those same symptons before, right before the servo quit working


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Old 05-29-2002 | 07:58 PM
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mmmh... servo is brand new (about three hours of flight time) and never had a JR servo quit on me (but there gotta be a first). also would i have not some twitching even with engine off...? i might try a different servo...
thanks... more input coming please ...
Old 05-29-2002 | 08:14 PM
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I got a buddy that tried the same thing. Tail mounted servo, and the sme gyro/servo combo, and it did the same thing. He switched it back to the stock location and everything works fine now. Try moving it to the origional location. Seriously, it was exactly the same thing.
Old 05-29-2002 | 08:17 PM
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ergo60, had the same thought, might try that, if i can find the orginal hardware...
Old 05-30-2002 | 01:50 AM
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Yeah, I called my buddy to verify the details, and it is exactly like you said, he had to but new stuff.
Old 05-30-2002 | 04:00 AM
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I had this problem on my Kalt Baron 30S ...Drove me up the wall...changed servo, reciever...still had the twitch...moved to origional location..still had twich...changed the gyro...aha problem solved...BAD GYRO....
Old 05-30-2002 | 07:54 AM
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what gyro was it helo36?
Old 05-30-2002 | 03:09 PM
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Hmnmm...good question.....I think it was a Peizo...the older kind...no heading hold. Not sure I think I threw it away
Old 05-30-2002 | 09:00 PM
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Are you running a 4.8 or 6volt bat pak? I'm waiting to hear confirmation on this but, my theory.
your running a 6volt pak with a regulator your regulator is telling you it's about to pak it in causing your servo to twitch the longer the servo is receiving power friom the Gyro the worse it gets because now the Gyro starts to act up.
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" about to pak it in causing" what do you mean with that ?

running 6v on 5.1 regulator, 1650mh

tried today a "glitch trap" instead of the extension and the glitching went "almost" away... to an acceptable point, 1 or two in a full tanks flight...
Old 05-31-2002 | 01:33 PM
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" about to pak it in causing" what do you mean with that ? "
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If your regulator is failing and your Gyro and Digital Servo are receiving anything over say 5.5v the voltage increase will cause the digital servo to twitch. If the Regulator is not working at all your Gyro will heat up causing a worse condition after a few minutes of operation. I would install a 4.8v battery pak and see if that fixes your problem!!!
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i think he meant "casing"
Old 05-31-2002 | 02:38 PM
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If changing the servo extension to one with a filter in it lessen the glitches. I would look at routing the servo lead a different way or moving the servo back to front, so there will not be an extension in the system. FM is very particular about long servo leads and where they are placed.

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Default tail twitching

Originally posted by guy
i think he meant "casing"
I think he means the pack is about to pack it in as in DIE, CAUSING the servo to twitch. I can't spell either.

Causing as in Because. <sp?>
Old 05-31-2002 | 02:58 PM
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Sounds like the belt is causing static electricity, had this problem on tail mounted servos on shuttles. Put a ground wire on servo to motor mount and it was gone........ just a guess.....
Old 06-01-2002 | 09:41 PM
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bob, i had that thought as well, but how would i go about it? (where ground the wire at the servo?)

pack has plenty of power and voltage and it is a pcm receiver, can't run without extension from the tail... and now that i remember i had some twitching (bit less) at the original servo location)

i think bob is right on, hope he gives me details on how to fix it...

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Old 06-02-2002 | 12:57 AM
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Run a wire from the tail boom to a negative pole on the RX. That way the static charge will not be noticed by the RX.

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Old 06-02-2002 | 02:53 AM
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I had the same problem on my Raptor. I could not figure it out and sold it for parts to a Raptor driver. He rebuilt it and found a problem with the tail pulley. He put the screw in properly and the twitch went away. I tried the grounding wire and it didn't help mine. Good luck.
Old 06-02-2002 | 03:15 AM
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i wish i could find somebody to buy my Craptor...
Old 06-02-2002 | 03:24 AM
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How much you want for it? I LOVE mine!!!
Old 06-02-2002 | 03:31 AM
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you wanna buy with electronics and engine (os 46) ?
Old 06-02-2002 | 03:40 AM
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Give me some options and I'll think about it. Having two helis around isn't a bad idea.
Old 06-02-2002 | 03:52 AM
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Just run the dang ground and tell us if it's fixed
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Old 06-02-2002 | 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by hiroboz
Just run the dang ground and tell us if it's fixed
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NO NO NO NO NO!!!! I wanna 'nother rappy!!!

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