has anyone tryed one of these http://www.wonderhobby.com/woremicoaprc.html ? are they junk or are they good, i was thinking about getting a housefly but since these look better i thought i might buy this instead? im thinking about getting a coaxial heli to pratice

You do know that it's a 2 chanel helicopter right?

BTW I think the house fly does not use standard swash plate so stay away from that too.
Get an esky lama 2 or blade cx instead. Horse fly is ok too but why get stuck with the extra size?

It's basically junk. Try the Blade CX it is amazingly stable and to my suprise a lot of fun to mess around with once you can fly.

A co-axial Apache ???
Why couldn't they make it into a Kamov 50 ??? IMHO ... a co-axial apache looks really really silly. What where they thinking ?
Just my 2 cents ...