YS-50 Engine Problems
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From: Nagano, JAPAN
I used to have a Thunder Tiger 46ProH in my Raptor50 with a Funtech HN50 muffler which was low on power but ultra-reliable. In over 300 flights, I only ever had one flame-out that was caused by a glow plug that had obviously gone bad. I always ran this on 15% or 23% nitro, tuning was just a matter of setting then forgetting the needles - summer or winter.
I got to the level where the lack of power was holding me back so I went to a YS-50. Initially, I ran it in with the Funtech HN50 and it seemed reliable. I had a lot of spit-back from the carb and it was drinking fuel but I put this down to rich settings for break-in.
Then I leaned it out after around 15 tanks and was disappointed with the power, I was also still getting a lot of spit-back. I looked at the interface of the muffler with the exhaust port and figured that the Funtech muffler was causing way too much back pressure, so I followed a club member who uses a Hatori tuned pipe successfully on his YS. I put on the Hatori 3DII and the power was suddenly awesome and the spit-back disappeared.
However, it has also become a real biatch to tune. I can set the high needle to give me perfect smoke and excellent climbing power, and I can set the low needle to give perfect idling and initial pick-up, but the mid-range is awful. I have now notched up 5 flame-outs, one of which resulted in a massive boom-strike due to a too-low entry into an auto. In every case, the flame outs have occurred when bringing the throttle back up from 30-40% up to 60-70%, typically when transitioning back to hover. Initially, I was running on a governor, but I have temporarily disabled that to try to troubleshoot the mixture. The needle settings are ultra sensitive between too lean and too rich. plus / minus two clicks on main takes it from over-rich (almost four stroking) to over-lean (power fade). The low needle only requires about plus/minus 5deg rotation to be outside of where it will run at all like it should.
Conditions and checks to date are as follows;
Airframe - Raptor 50, 600mm rotors and standard 8.5 gear ratio
Ambient temp - 28 to 35degC
Altitude - 600m asl
Plugs used OS#8 and YS#2
Fuels used IM Pro Glow Max (Japan) 23% and 30% both with 18% oil
Fuel tanks - removed and checked for pressure leaks (none found)
Clunks - replaced in main and header.
Fuel Filter - clean (tried with and without)
Crankcase check valve - is fitted as per the manual.
Pressure regulator / carb - stripped and cleaned it twice
On an OS#8 and 23% nitro, it is almost impossible to get the engine to transition onto the high needle, just cuts out on the ground.
Now on the YS#2 and the 30% nitro it will just about keep running, but pick-up through the mid range is still very iffy and in flight transitions from FF to back to hover continue to be a very nervous experience. The engine is missing frequently in these low-load, mid-throttle settings.
I am by no means an expert on tuning, but I have tried to follow the manual and logically adjusted for every combination of settings possible - the damn thing just won't transition reliably whatever I do.
I am now removing the engine and going back to my trusty old TTPro46H for the time being. Maybe if I put the Hatori on that, it will improve the power anyhow.
But, the YS is a big disappointment, I had read so much about how they are easy to tune and stable running. I am about to pack it up and send it back to them for a thorough checking - but I thought I would pick the brains of the guys here first to see if there is anything I might have missed.
Th only difference we can see is that my buddy at the club has a slightly older model with the screw on the pressure regulator. Mine was bought this year and had the solid style regulator.
I got to the level where the lack of power was holding me back so I went to a YS-50. Initially, I ran it in with the Funtech HN50 and it seemed reliable. I had a lot of spit-back from the carb and it was drinking fuel but I put this down to rich settings for break-in.
Then I leaned it out after around 15 tanks and was disappointed with the power, I was also still getting a lot of spit-back. I looked at the interface of the muffler with the exhaust port and figured that the Funtech muffler was causing way too much back pressure, so I followed a club member who uses a Hatori tuned pipe successfully on his YS. I put on the Hatori 3DII and the power was suddenly awesome and the spit-back disappeared.
However, it has also become a real biatch to tune. I can set the high needle to give me perfect smoke and excellent climbing power, and I can set the low needle to give perfect idling and initial pick-up, but the mid-range is awful. I have now notched up 5 flame-outs, one of which resulted in a massive boom-strike due to a too-low entry into an auto. In every case, the flame outs have occurred when bringing the throttle back up from 30-40% up to 60-70%, typically when transitioning back to hover. Initially, I was running on a governor, but I have temporarily disabled that to try to troubleshoot the mixture. The needle settings are ultra sensitive between too lean and too rich. plus / minus two clicks on main takes it from over-rich (almost four stroking) to over-lean (power fade). The low needle only requires about plus/minus 5deg rotation to be outside of where it will run at all like it should.
Conditions and checks to date are as follows;
Airframe - Raptor 50, 600mm rotors and standard 8.5 gear ratio
Ambient temp - 28 to 35degC
Altitude - 600m asl
Plugs used OS#8 and YS#2
Fuels used IM Pro Glow Max (Japan) 23% and 30% both with 18% oil
Fuel tanks - removed and checked for pressure leaks (none found)
Clunks - replaced in main and header.
Fuel Filter - clean (tried with and without)
Crankcase check valve - is fitted as per the manual.
Pressure regulator / carb - stripped and cleaned it twice
On an OS#8 and 23% nitro, it is almost impossible to get the engine to transition onto the high needle, just cuts out on the ground.
Now on the YS#2 and the 30% nitro it will just about keep running, but pick-up through the mid range is still very iffy and in flight transitions from FF to back to hover continue to be a very nervous experience. The engine is missing frequently in these low-load, mid-throttle settings.
I am by no means an expert on tuning, but I have tried to follow the manual and logically adjusted for every combination of settings possible - the damn thing just won't transition reliably whatever I do.
I am now removing the engine and going back to my trusty old TTPro46H for the time being. Maybe if I put the Hatori on that, it will improve the power anyhow.
But, the YS is a big disappointment, I had read so much about how they are easy to tune and stable running. I am about to pack it up and send it back to them for a thorough checking - but I thought I would pick the brains of the guys here first to see if there is anything I might have missed.
Th only difference we can see is that my buddy at the club has a slightly older model with the screw on the pressure regulator. Mine was bought this year and had the solid style regulator.
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Sending it back was the best move.
The YS has a carby like no other. There are passages drilled in the carby itself that work very different to your normal venturi carby. I am guessing that one of these is blocked by maybe a sliver of swarf during manufacturing. Yours is way too touchy in the transition range. But one of our greatest problem fixer has always been the Enya #3 glow plug. Countless engine problems in tuning have been fixed with this plug. I don't think the plug would fix your issue, but it would be worth while having in your tool box for when the engine comes back.
The YS has a carby like no other. There are passages drilled in the carby itself that work very different to your normal venturi carby. I am guessing that one of these is blocked by maybe a sliver of swarf during manufacturing. Yours is way too touchy in the transition range. But one of our greatest problem fixer has always been the Enya #3 glow plug. Countless engine problems in tuning have been fixed with this plug. I don't think the plug would fix your issue, but it would be worth while having in your tool box for when the engine comes back.



