A friend sent this to me,,, a lot of truth


www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3gKegWsv9g

alot of truth in-deed.. so when exactly does that "career" turn into a career... im still looking for that career company.. [:@]

Very true indeed

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Thats funny right there !!!!! Kids now days.....

Danno

Thomas,

At Delta,we hired 350 off the street this year,with a couple hundred more coming back from voluntary furlough.I'm guessing we will hire 500 next year.After that,retirements start kicking in,peaking at 700 in the early 20's.Your opportunity will come.Let me know if I can help.Take care,

Erik

erik,
good to know.. i applied to them earlier this year, but i guess not having my ATP written done and the lack of a 4 year degree is shooting me in the foot. [:@] time to start studying. ha

Aaahhh? Unless you are younger than 22 there is no excuse to complain about no "career" if you haven't even taken your ATP written! Get on the stick

OMG...the guy is flying with both hands??? What a weenie!

Beave [&:]

Trust of a pilot? Isn't the plane flown by Microsoft these days???? I am putting my trust in the ground crew!

Hey.. how many Non ATP civilian pilots w/ no military experience do you know that have more flight time under 500' at night wearing Night Vision Goggle's than time about 18,000' who flies a king-air? and yes i'm serious..

But yes, i have no good excuse for not having my written done.. But whats the chance's of a 2500 hr pilot w/ 1500 PIC turbine/multi. getting a career job w/ an airline in this economy?

You wont know unless you qualify yourself and try it.

Being a nearly forty year pilot when I retired with lots of time on that most superb Boeing product, the 757 and its bigger brother, that was a wonderful start to my day !

Career airlines, they do exist in Europe and Australia !

Regards,

David Gladwin.

Those are some great comments guy's

What in the h3ll is that thing he's holding ..a steering wheel thingie? My airplane has a nice side stick controller and a folding tray to hold my lunch. There are no good airline careers in the US. Pay cuts, retirements programs terminated, what other job will you work 360hrs a month (the junior guys monthly time away from base, or time at work)....all so your "management team" can reward themselves with multi-million dollar packages. In the last 10 years I have taken a 65% pay cut (bankruptcy, forced from a 777 to an Airbus...worked myself back to 737 Cap just to have it cut 50% again when I was forced back to the bus) Basically, I got replaced by a RJ crew with 1500 lt seat hours and 300 rt seat hours because they work for nothing. These young guys just dont understand that they are why there are no major airline jobs left, hope they enjoy flying RJs for the rest of their lives for less than the airport MacDonalds supervisor. I don't recommend airlines to anyone.

That's why many major airline pilots have taken their skills and experience and gone "global". There are fantastic airline jobs out there if we are willing to think outside the box (borders) and come up to speed. It's hard to say it but even though North America has given much to aviation in the past, we have well and truly fallen behind into second world status in civil aviation "while we were sleeping" at the switch. I guess we're OK with that though, b/c actions speak louder than words and we finally have what we've wanted all along, according to Wall Street!

Bottom line though, no matter who you work for or what plane you fly, the buck stops with the captain and the responsibility of what happens on that day in that jet, lies with the crew. As long as we can keep the standards high and keep in mind what has gone into the profession from the earliest days, any pilot can give themselves the inspiration to do great work with whatever tools they are given to work with. I think that's what the little ditty is about anyway. We don't always get the best tools to work with and best canvas to paint with, but the most trusted and best pilots will do what they have to, to be the trusted ones they need to be. You never know when the test will be, it's always un-announced. The test results are final, and like Ernest Ghann says, "we play for keeps". I'll put my trust in "real" air crew, not "Microsoft" junkies!

Over the past 2 years i have sent over 300 resumes/applications to jobs ranging anywhere from pipeline patrol, jump planes, part. 135, Net jets, citation shares, flex-jet, flight options.. you name it, i have probably applied their. Out of all of those applications/resumes i have gotten a grand total of ZERO feedback. so either i'm just not marketable, or the pilot pool is over-filled with high time pilots having first pick on where to work.

so I really am at a loss as to what to do.

Thomas,

No ATP written is hurting you a lot. Do the King School and take it next Monday.

Then apply to American Eagle or one of the like and get to work. Build your time and then reapply.

TP is correct however...the "day of the big buck airline job" is long gone.

Beave

This is good gouge. If you really want this, you will get it if you stick with it and go about it correctly. Don't be mad at us if you get what you want though I'm more than happy to help in any way I can if you PM. Good luck!

Lol.. alright, ill get back to workin on the atp. Airline isn't my first choice (something like netjets is). Anything has to be better than flyin the kingair killing mosquito's at night.. its a fun job, but. The pay is worse than a 2nd year regional FO and I am required to work a minimum of 40 hours a week, even if that involves turning wrenchs to (I've got an A&P as well)

Go to ALL atps or some school and get written. you will go absolutely nowhere without the written.. thats a strong message but its the truth..

Once you get it, update all those resume's you sent out with a cover letter and let them know you are serious.. then see what happens..

Its funny, all I wanted to be was an airline pilot after flying in the military, and I made it to American... just in time to be laid off three times... My airline career was destroyed by many forces, mostly being in the wrong place at the wrong time.. I cannot afford to start over somewhere else.. Its one of the few careers where you start at the bottom if you change companies..Its also one of the few careers that you work all your life towards, only to start at the bottom with such high qualfications..

Im not flying anymore and its going to have to be a dramatic change before I would even consider going back... but thats American... they have a horrible stagnation problem due to the TWA aq and bad decisions.. My buddies at the other airlines are back working.... I turned down FedEX(bummer), should have went boxes..

Stay with it Goose, I have lived your nightmare, and I feel your pain. I really do. A buddy of mine today (he's @ AA and we commuted on the same plane to work) was pretty convinced there will be some retirements and hiring soon at AA. He was saying there are 600 guys reaching 63 in the next year - they can leave at a moments notice, they have their retirement, etc. There's a new chief for the pilot ranks too? Talk of AA flying EMB-195's vs the commuters... Not sure. You may be better off very soon if you wanted to go back off furlough/leave. Ha! These are pilot rumors though. You well know how much weight to give those.

Thomas, I used to be a Director of Operations at a corporate flight department - also a Director of Ops at a charter operation (uuuugh). The two places could not be different. There are some very good corporate flight departments out there and the best thing about corporate flight operations is you can take your resume with you and step into a better job, often not starting over like the airlines. I often miss corporate flight ops, I really enjoyed it. Problem with Netjets is that it has the seniority thing - you start at the bottom and it's a very mature operation. Slow progression, like the airlines have been in the last 10 years. Netjets does have good points for sure too... but opportunity can be like an oasis or mirage. Chase one but if another happens by, don't pass up a water hole! It might be the next thing guys are running to, when the mirage out there on the horizon vanishes. I think the airlines are prepping for some movement finally, though. All right I've said enough, sorry to ramble. Best of luck to all my RC jet buds in "full size" aviation la-la land, we all need each others' help.

Thanks..
the problem is I cannot afford to take the pay cut anymore to go back... If AA gets a new contract, it will have to be a doozy before I will even consider it... I moved on to another career. I got a recall last month and I deferred indefinitely. The current reserve system is screwed and not manageable for a commuter.. I lost reenstatement rights to ORD when the Fokker was retired, so when I left the last time, I was bottom pilot in Boston..

So, also cannot afford to start over someplace else, so I decided to go into a career where I could get some credit for the experience. Makes me a bit bitter of course. But thats life.. That company needs to fix things asap... I hope the new Chief and New Union leadership come together.. they will need it.

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens if the 195s come to mainline. Im afraid the rates will not be enough to entice me back.. We will have to have a SWA or Delta caliber contract before I would consider it.

For you others just starting out..hang in there...my situation was timing related more than anything..

I wouldn't count on NetJets.... They only take the best of the best from what I understand.... I think it's a matter of who you know... A buddy of mine got his first gig with only 500hrs TT, Got a job fly'in a Turbo Commander, been flying Jets ever since.. Good luck to you !!!


Danno

About 5 years ago there was a small cargo co. running from Portland to seattle in a DC3. those poor guys made 14.00 dollars hr. and they had to severce there own plane. We use to joke about those poor guys at the airport