Regrettable thing
what could the pilot have done to prevent chashing on the free-way with only one elevator.
Until someone describes the incident and lets us know what happened, all your posts are undecipherable dribble.
i just finish landing and as i was taxing back i did see a piece of airplane fly off as plane was about 100 feet high over mid runway
plane continued linear straight and then dove and crashed
it was later confirmed that one of the elevator from base root inside the aircraft tore completely off in mid flight
it was found in the middle of the field 300 yards away from crash site
this should not happen
the pilot i know to be a very experienced flyer and is very knowledgeable about detail
i believe this to be totally an unseen circumstance and there is no way of knowing that if all screws are tightened and all bolts are
locked a most crucial article of a jet an elevator should come off completely
it looked liked a clean cut break
i have had first hand experience with many jet crashes and this was definitely not pilot error or pilot mishap
i vouch for this individual and if there is any thing that anyone can do it would benefit all to accomodate as best as possible
hello i am a rc jet modeler and i was personally at markham park on sunday when this jet took a dive
i just finish landing and as i was taxing back i did see a piece of airplane fly off as plane was about 100 feet high over mid runway
plane continued linear straight and then dove and crashed
it was later confirmed that one of the elevator from base root inside the aircraft tore completely off in mid flight
it was found in the middle of the field 300 yards away from crash site
this should not happen
the pilot i know to be a very experienced flyer and is very knowledgeable about detail
i believe this to be totally an unseen circumstance and there is no way of knowing that if all screws are tightened and all bolts are
locked a most crucial article of a jet an elevator should come off completely
it looked liked a clean cut break
i have had first hand experience with many jet crashes and this was definitely not pilot error or pilot mishap
i vouch for this individual and if there is any thing that anyone can do it would benefit all to accomodate as best as possible
With all of two posts in 3 years, & your extensive experience, gtoro26, this should really settle the matter, I'm sure.
David S
There could be many ways that this could have been caused, right from the build, to someone banging against it at the field, to knocking the tailplane taking it out of the car.
The previous owner may have knocked it in the past or it fell off the bench, two guys lost their lives in a fullsize homebuilt because another pilot who flew the aircraft a month earlier had a very hard landing, he did'nt mention it as he thought everything was ok when he looked over the aircraft, turned out the main spar was cracked and one wing folded in flight as the unknowing pilot pulled up a bit harder than normal.
i believe this to be totally an unseen circumstance and there is no way of knowing that if all screws are tightened and all bolts are
locked a most crucial article of a jet an elevator should come off completely
it looked liked a clean cut break
Thanks for coming forward with the added info, but I personally don't agree with what you have stated.... most all screws/bolts/block-mounts can be can be checked one way, or another and at any time.... especially in that tail section.
the airplane climbed drastically and crashed into the highway and exploded upon impact.
Bob
It was absolutely structural failure. Elevator came off mid flight. The entire wood mount came out of the plane. The glue job was terrible. It was not the pilot's fault!!!
I have first hand knowledge of this plane from the day it was received from the factory. There was NO prior damage to the elevator EVER.
I have known 4 people to have FEJ and have NOT seen any of them survive past flight 12. They all have had major structural failure and crashed. 2 f-15's, 1 F-16 and 1 rafale.
Is it me, or does this whole thing sound and seem kinda fishy somehow? People vouching (anonymously) but the owner/pilot silent? I regard myself as a pretty competent builder and pilot, but I don't know that I can watch a crash and state unambiguously that the cause was manufacturer error, either.
All of these threads & post are great because i'm about 2 weeks for purchasing my 2nd jet and FEJ is in the lead by far.
david robinson
Ouch! That highway & explosion part could have been omitted in your testimony.
... I strongly urge it in the interest of our hobby.
hello i am a rc jet modeler and i was personally at markham park on sunday when this jet took a dive
i just finish landing and as i was taxing back i did see a piece of airplane fly off as plane was about 100 feet high over mid runway
plane continued linear straight and then dove and crashed
it was later confirmed that one of the elevator from base root inside the aircraft tore completely off in mid flight
it was found in the middle of the field 300 yards away from crash site
this should not happen
the pilot i know to be a very experienced flyer and is very knowledgeable about detail
i believe this to be totally an unseen circumstance and there is no way of knowing that if all screws are tightened and all bolts are
locked a most crucial article of a jet an elevator should come off completely
it looked liked a clean cut break
i have had first hand experience with many jet crashes and this was definitely not pilot error or pilot mishap
i vouch for this individual and if there is any thing that anyone can do it would benefit all to accomodate as best as possible
First hand experience? Many jet crashes? Yeah ok.
By the photos, it appears that the customer may be claiming the elevator pivot failed and caused the crash.
Needless to say waited 5 months for a resolution and the factory washed its hands completely from me, so I did the same and stopped dealing with them.
hello i am a rc jet modeler and i was personally at markham park on sunday when this jet took a dive
i just finish landing and as i was taxing back i did see a piece of airplane fly off as plane was about 100 feet high over mid runway
plane continued linear straight and then dove and crashed
it was later confirmed that one of the elevator from base root inside the aircraft tore completely off in mid flight
it was found in the middle of the field 300 yards away from crash site
this should not happen
the pilot i know to be a very experienced flyer and is very knowledgeable about detail
i believe this to be totally an unseen circumstance and there is no way of knowing that if all screws are tightened and all bolts are
locked a most crucial article of a jet an elevator should come off completely
it looked liked a clean cut break
i have had first hand experience with many jet crashes and this was definitely not pilot error or pilot mishap
i vouch for this individual and if there is any thing that anyone can do it would benefit all to accomodate as best as possible
Based on a complete read of this post, it seems: 1.This was a "used" jet.
2.The manufacturerfelt the needtogo on the defense.
3. The pilot was skilled. (skill in flying doesn't necessarily define skill in building/engineering)
4. There was a structural failure in flight.
5. There are pictures of the carnage (which Iwill go to my grave wondering how anyone can determine the "exact" cause of failure from a mutilated pile ofbalsa, plastic, and metal, or the true blame of said failure without the additional costs of millions of dollars worth of flight data recording equipment and instruments on board)
6.Thatthis falls underthecontinuing thought process in the current millennium of "it's NEVER MYFAULT"
7.Why isn't the original seller being hammeredto death on a thread?
8. From what I see, "that dog ain't gonna hunt no more" (pick up the pieces, get some Kleenex, start allover)
9.One needs to research theirmanufacturer's productextensively before investing that much money into a toy. (Please don'thang me from the nearest oak tree describing thishobby as a toy.)
10. Onewho optionsto spend thousands of dollars on a machinewhich defies gravityhad better have the financialwherewithal to lose that money when gravity wins.
This all said, as a newbie in this hobby, I'vesmacked so many planes from about every conceivable fault known to RCflight, I'm willing to admit that pretty much 110% of them have been pilot error (believing that"piloterror" also is contiguous with "pilot responsibility"). Thusmeaning100% of EVERY action associated withthe operation of that aircraftfallsunder the responsibility of the person twistingthoselittle sticks! 11. That popcorn bowl is empty......someone please bring some more.