Well after waiting almost a year to get my pipe back it came in... finally. Unfortunately, it doesn't fit. I sent in the Skymaster F4 pipe for use as a comparison so it would be right. I give up....

I went ahead and bought a tams pipe, because I can't wait any longer. Got it in like two days after I ordered it btw.. The pics show the size difference between the Tams and the UKR one. Not even close.

This pipe is so long the turbine wont fit at all. Moreover, its so wide the tail end of the pipe won't go through the rear formers. This is a complete mess!

Andy

ps - anyone interested in this pipe let me know. I'll let it go cheap.

Wow, Maybe mark S can help you out....

Wow, unbelieveable!!!!![:@][:@][:@]

Well I was planning on seeing what I can do, and following a PM from Andy was waiting for the information as to size errors etc - the first I hear is its on the forum!
Nevertheless I will see if I can do something anyway, and just for the records this pipe was never ordered via myself it was done direct.


marcs

I bought a pipe from them about 1.5 yrs ago and it was damaged in shipping, UKR JETS made it right. Sent me another one no charge.

This is NOT Marcs issue. Marc has done nothing but help the situation. He is correct, this was not ordered through him. This is a deal that goes back over a year ago. I'll have to check, it may be over a year...

That sucks Andy, I was wondering just earlier this week if you ever did get your pipe. I hope you at least get your money back. Seems pretty wild that when you supplied the original pipe (as I understand it) that the size could be that far off!

Well, its kinda a long story. Remember when I lost that FEJ F-18 due to the pipe failing? Well, UKR-Jets made the unprecedented offer to send me two new pipes to help me out a bit. They were also trying to design pipes and needed some to copy. So I sent them a used bad straight pipe and a brand new Skymaster bifricated pipe to use for illistration purposes. Well, I got the straight pipe fairly quickly but they never sent me the bifricated pipe.

So to make things simple, all I was asking was that they send me the origional bifricated pipe back so I could at least use it. A year later they still hadn't sent it. Then a few weeks ago I get the one they made thanks to Marcs Help. I think they lost the origional. Who knows.

I really appreciated the offer, but it became a big hassle because I ended up having to buy another bifricated pipe.

Andy

No good deed goes unpunished.

Not to mention size, look at the difference in fab. quality...

Bob

The quality of the fabrication is the real story. Sorry.

Andy,

You have sent me a pipe,
We have made an exact copy of your pipe! On Monday I will send you the original (that pipe which you have sent) and you compare the sizes!
P.S I essentially will go now to a workshop and I will show you the sizes of your original pipe!

Prettier maybe, lighter debatable. I know Alex uses a very thin outer ss to keep weight to a minimum, its more difficult to keep it looking 'nice' as its as thin as paper - but it only needs to be thin to do the job.

marcs

Alex,

What's the situation here? Are you currently building pipes and, if so, what's the expected turnaround time like? I hope Andy gets his order dealt with properly and that this is just a hiccup. Options are good for the end user, that's for sure...

Andy,

I have come back home with your pipe! In a photo your original pipe which you have sent to me. I think you have learnt your pipe!?

Will correctly understand this situation. Please make some measurements of a pipe which I to you has sent. Specify the sizes "A" and "B". Thus we can make verification of the sizes.

Yes, we build pipes!

Mail EMS - 7-9 days
Usual mail - 21 day.

If you have learnt his pipe what did you teach it to do ?

Not to go back home?

LMAO.. gotta clean off the monitor now...

If the agreement was to send the original pipe to UKR, and then to send a new none (whatever) pipe back, why is the original pipe still at UKR? I figured that it would of been returned back to its owner (andy). Also, if the "new" pipe doesn't fit, whats the big deal from UKR? the thing doesn't fit, a Tams pipe does. Why all the aggression and having to make measurements (which he didn't even provide, he just put A and B, so who know's what they are. He has the original, so whatever andy has, UKR "could" (not saying he would) just say "its the same size")...

Thomas,

Not wanting to get embroiled in a thread war as is so common here it is fair to say we are not sure if the agreement between Andy and UKR was to return the original pipes or not. If indeed the original was copied exactly which is what is currently being looked at, the request for Andy to provide basic measurements from his pipe is to see if there is a direct match.

If indeed the match is the same then there is another problem to resolve, if they are totally different then the outcome is more obvious.

Couple of observations from me, the pipes are so far adrift in terms of size there has to be something more than just a mis-calculation, I have received over 50 pipes from Alex, only 2 have been slightly out in terms of dimension, and we are taking millimeters, so to produce a pipe this far out seems strange.

Lets see what Andy comes back with and go from there, bashing helps no one.

marcs

Fair enough. Perhaps when Andy gets a chance, he can post the weights of both pipes, the UKR and the Tams one. They are not the exact same size, (obviously ) but a rough comparison would be helpful - especially if the UKR is lighter in spite of being bigger...

Bob

Andy and news on those sizes yet, be good to get to the bottom of this and get things resolved.

marcs

Have him post his sizes and I will verify if mine match. I'm not sure this is going to solve anything, expecially if he copied the pipe hes showing which I can't verify was mine but I will be more than happy to verify against that pipe if he wants.

Andy, I have a note of the dimensions of the pipe Alex has, so just to make things fair please post the pipe you have which is subject to the size issue showing a ruler to confirm the two key dimensions.
I appreciate you may not be able to verify the pipe is infact yours, but it is unlikely to be another as this is the only bifurcated pipe Alex has been sent, and I am not sure he would send out a 'copy' intentionally which bares no resemblance to it.
There has to be an answer and solution, so the starting point is the measurements.......

marcs

This is all a bit............... You show me yours before I show you mine