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I know this should be in the radio forum but, what is the big difference between three pole and 5 pole servo motors and how does this affect centering??
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Todd
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I have been told that the 5 pole centers better because it has more stopping points on the motor. My self I can't tell the difference. Now if you gang them up like the TOC guys I can see where the 5 pole may help. Less fighting among servos. But one on one I don't think you can tell.
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I have been told that the 5 pole centers better because it has more stopping points on the motor. My self I can't tell the difference. Now if you gang them up like the TOC guys I can see where the 5 pole may help. Less fighting among servos. But one on one I don't think you can tell.
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Thanks Thunderjet,
I found this post from Michael Glavin that I thought I would put here as well, covers it all....
Cored motors:
Cored electric motors are incredibly common, you'll see this design concept every time you turn around if your looking. Auto starters, power tools, RC car motors and lots more... The heavy rotating mass [core] of these electric motors known as an armature is comprised of metal plates [poles] sandwiched around a metal shaft, the metal shaft is supported at both ends by bearings, each pole is wrapped with copper wire [windings]. More poles, equals more windings which in turn creates smoother less notchy operation. The armature spins at high rpm encompassed by a permanent hollow center magnet which is located within and lines the inside diameter of the metal can. The armature spins within the inside diameter of the magnet. Power is introduced to the windings, which in turn creates an electro-magnetic field. This field is opposed by the magnets which in turn causes the armature to rotate.
Coreless motors:
Coreless motors operate within the same design concepts, but are assembled in a different manner. The coreless armature is lightweight the windings are formed into a cylindrical shape [no metal plates or poles]. The armature is fixed to a metal shaft at one extreme [imagine a hole saw with an arbor attached or a cup]. The armature rotates around the outside diameter of a permanent hollow center magnet within a space between the inside diameter of the metal can. The armature is supported at one end.
Coreless motors respond faster to the electro-magnetic field due to their lightweight. These corelss armatures accelerate and decelerate much faster and smoother resulting in less overshoot of the commanded position, cause and effect is more precession. Additionally more force is generated with like amounts of power, on a side by side comparison to a cored armature with a smaller diameter. The larger diameter coreless armature emulates a longer lever or arm when pushing the motor shaft, this equates to a higher torque rating. The lack of poles opposed by electro-motive force [EMF] allows the coreless armature to center more accurately while maintaining or holding position with increased authority [there is no space between poles, thus more positions to rest at].
Analog and digital servos share the same internal components less the servo amplifier [the device which commands the servos position].
Analog amplifiers interpret RX command and pulse power [on/off] to the armature at say 50 cycles per second, The space in between the on/off cycles is known as dead-band [db]. No power is consumed at idle. Power is delivered at full available voltage. The potentiometer [pot] feeds position info to the amplifier. If a signal is received from the RX or the servo arm is deflected the amplifier pulses power to either move too or resist the opposing force. The amplifier compares position to commands and reacts to the need by alternating the duration of the pulse to speed up or slow down the servo motor, thus moving too or holding the commanded position.
Digital amplifiers via the micro-proccessor interpret RX commands or signals and operate within fixed parameters, the preset commands together with commanded position are then delivered to the servo motor. Center, end points and maximum speed are preset parameters. The duration of the power pulse and the amount of power utilized to activate the servo motor varies dependent on the need. Servo performance is greatly enhanced with this method of motor control. Digital amp's also send power pulses to the servo motor at 300 cycles per second much more frequent than the analog amp [power is consumed at idle]. Known result [servo buzzing]... The increased pulse cycles command the servo motor to react and perform with more precision simply because of the increased pulse frequency or interval. Net results are faster response to control command signals, lower dead-band numbers, increased holding power and much better resolution.
Programmable Digital amplifiers, in addition to the aforementioned digital amplifier operating description have a programmable memory which can be altered via a programmer. The servo operation parameters therefore can be manipulated within programmable parameters to the user's individual needs. Center and end-point positions, speed, dead-band, rotation, failsafe and more are programmable.
I found this post from Michael Glavin that I thought I would put here as well, covers it all....
Cored motors:
Cored electric motors are incredibly common, you'll see this design concept every time you turn around if your looking. Auto starters, power tools, RC car motors and lots more... The heavy rotating mass [core] of these electric motors known as an armature is comprised of metal plates [poles] sandwiched around a metal shaft, the metal shaft is supported at both ends by bearings, each pole is wrapped with copper wire [windings]. More poles, equals more windings which in turn creates smoother less notchy operation. The armature spins at high rpm encompassed by a permanent hollow center magnet which is located within and lines the inside diameter of the metal can. The armature spins within the inside diameter of the magnet. Power is introduced to the windings, which in turn creates an electro-magnetic field. This field is opposed by the magnets which in turn causes the armature to rotate.
Coreless motors:
Coreless motors operate within the same design concepts, but are assembled in a different manner. The coreless armature is lightweight the windings are formed into a cylindrical shape [no metal plates or poles]. The armature is fixed to a metal shaft at one extreme [imagine a hole saw with an arbor attached or a cup]. The armature rotates around the outside diameter of a permanent hollow center magnet within a space between the inside diameter of the metal can. The armature is supported at one end.
Coreless motors respond faster to the electro-magnetic field due to their lightweight. These corelss armatures accelerate and decelerate much faster and smoother resulting in less overshoot of the commanded position, cause and effect is more precession. Additionally more force is generated with like amounts of power, on a side by side comparison to a cored armature with a smaller diameter. The larger diameter coreless armature emulates a longer lever or arm when pushing the motor shaft, this equates to a higher torque rating. The lack of poles opposed by electro-motive force [EMF] allows the coreless armature to center more accurately while maintaining or holding position with increased authority [there is no space between poles, thus more positions to rest at].
Analog and digital servos share the same internal components less the servo amplifier [the device which commands the servos position].
Analog amplifiers interpret RX command and pulse power [on/off] to the armature at say 50 cycles per second, The space in between the on/off cycles is known as dead-band [db]. No power is consumed at idle. Power is delivered at full available voltage. The potentiometer [pot] feeds position info to the amplifier. If a signal is received from the RX or the servo arm is deflected the amplifier pulses power to either move too or resist the opposing force. The amplifier compares position to commands and reacts to the need by alternating the duration of the pulse to speed up or slow down the servo motor, thus moving too or holding the commanded position.
Digital amplifiers via the micro-proccessor interpret RX commands or signals and operate within fixed parameters, the preset commands together with commanded position are then delivered to the servo motor. Center, end points and maximum speed are preset parameters. The duration of the power pulse and the amount of power utilized to activate the servo motor varies dependent on the need. Servo performance is greatly enhanced with this method of motor control. Digital amp's also send power pulses to the servo motor at 300 cycles per second much more frequent than the analog amp [power is consumed at idle]. Known result [servo buzzing]... The increased pulse cycles command the servo motor to react and perform with more precision simply because of the increased pulse frequency or interval. Net results are faster response to control command signals, lower dead-band numbers, increased holding power and much better resolution.
Programmable Digital amplifiers, in addition to the aforementioned digital amplifier operating description have a programmable memory which can be altered via a programmer. The servo operation parameters therefore can be manipulated within programmable parameters to the user's individual needs. Center and end-point positions, speed, dead-band, rotation, failsafe and more are programmable.



