Experimental aircraft question...
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Experimental aircraft question...
Guys,
To settle a few different answers I have heard, what is the procedure for flying a new, un-certified experimental jet at an AMA event?
Must it be flow, proven and signed off before the show?
Can you maiden it at the show after it passes inspection and get it signed off if you complete the required test flights?
It seems that when you ask, you get different answers.
Thanks,
Beave
To settle a few different answers I have heard, what is the procedure for flying a new, un-certified experimental jet at an AMA event?
Must it be flow, proven and signed off before the show?
Can you maiden it at the show after it passes inspection and get it signed off if you complete the required test flights?
It seems that when you ask, you get different answers.
Thanks,
Beave
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
The plane and pilot should be proven before an event. You really don't want to have a crowd around while you test fly a LGA. When you flight test a LGA you are inspecting the pilots ability as much as you are the aircraft.
Since self inspections are allowed on aircraft below 35kg(aprox 77lbs), there are not many LGA that require an inspector anymore.
Since self inspections are allowed on aircraft below 35kg(aprox 77lbs), there are not many LGA that require an inspector anymore.
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
The test flights to obtain an AMA permit To Fly must be observed & signed off by either a Turbine CD, LMAI or LM or combination of the above.
If at an event it is the CD's call, if he will allow the test flights just prior to the event. An LTMA not in possesion of a Permit To Fly is not allowed to fly at any AMA sanctioned event.
A Maiden flight is by definition a test flight. In order to do that test flight you need a Temporary Permit to Fly which requires the presence and sign off of a CD OR LM. after successful completion of the required two test flights you would be issued your Permit To Fly which would allow the aircraft to be flown at the event.
David S
If at an event it is the CD's call, if he will allow the test flights just prior to the event. An LTMA not in possesion of a Permit To Fly is not allowed to fly at any AMA sanctioned event.
A Maiden flight is by definition a test flight. In order to do that test flight you need a Temporary Permit to Fly which requires the presence and sign off of a CD OR LM. after successful completion of the required two test flights you would be issued your Permit To Fly which would allow the aircraft to be flown at the event.
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
This document will tell you everything you need to know...
Happy reading!
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/520-a.pdf
Happy reading!
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/520-a.pdf
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
You MUST have PERMIT TO FLY document signed off ,valid dated and presentable to the CD to fly...Inspecting and test flying airplanes of this weight in either catagory is not advisable at an event . I doubt there would be any CD wanting testing of an unproven aircraft going on at their "Target Rich environment ". It is there call..... I personally might start the visual inspection (Inspector required weigh limit .. it is time consuming to do it right) but NOT the flight tests.
I have had PILOT waiver sign offs at events.Usually after regular event flying .But Not PLANES.
David is on the mark
Bill Jarrett
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I have had PILOT waiver sign offs at events.Usually after regular event flying .But Not PLANES.
David is on the mark
Bill Jarrett
CD ,LM ,LMAInspector ,Fixed Turbine , Rotary Turbine CD
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
ORIGINAL: bevar
Guys,
To settle a few different answers I have heard, what is the procedure for flying a new, un-certified experimental jet at an AMA event?
Must it be flow, proven and signed off before the show?
Can you maiden it at the show after it passes inspection and get it signed off if you complete the required test flights?
It seems that when you ask, you get different answers.
Thanks,
Beave
Guys,
To settle a few different answers I have heard, what is the procedure for flying a new, un-certified experimental jet at an AMA event?
Must it be flow, proven and signed off before the show?
Can you maiden it at the show after it passes inspection and get it signed off if you complete the required test flights?
It seems that when you ask, you get different answers.
Thanks,
Beave
3. Model aircraft will not be flown in AMA sanctioned events, air shows or model demonstrations unless:
(a) The aircraft, control system and pilot skills have successfully demonstrated all maneuvers intended or anticipated prior to the specific event.
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
ORIGINAL: David Searles
The test flights to obtain an AMA permit To Fly must be observed & signed off by either a Turbine CD, LMAI or LM or combination of the above.
If at an event it is the CD's call, if he will allow the test flights just prior to the event. An LTMA not in possesion of a Permit To Fly is not allowed to fly at any AMA sanctioned event.
A Maiden flight is by definition a test flight. In order to do that test flight you need a Temporary Permit to Fly which requires the presence and sign off of a CD OR LM. after successful completion of the required two test flights you would be issued your Permit To Fly which would allow the aircraft to be flown at the event.
David S
The test flights to obtain an AMA permit To Fly must be observed & signed off by either a Turbine CD, LMAI or LM or combination of the above.
If at an event it is the CD's call, if he will allow the test flights just prior to the event. An LTMA not in possesion of a Permit To Fly is not allowed to fly at any AMA sanctioned event.
A Maiden flight is by definition a test flight. In order to do that test flight you need a Temporary Permit to Fly which requires the presence and sign off of a CD OR LM. after successful completion of the required two test flights you would be issued your Permit To Fly which would allow the aircraft to be flown at the event.
David S
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RE: Experimental aircraft question...
Yes David, but the question was if the model could be maidened "at" an event. Hence my bolding of "during". My point was that this goes for any model and not just an experimental jet.
Also "At" an event could be interpreted as either during the event or before or after event hours. I'm sure everyone has seen new planes maidened at events. The question is if this was done during the actual time(s) designated on the sanction.
Also "At" an event could be interpreted as either during the event or before or after event hours. I'm sure everyone has seen new planes maidened at events. The question is if this was done during the actual time(s) designated on the sanction.