Ok folks, it's a simple question. Are there any scale jets that would be just as easy to fly as trainers?

You could paint a Boomerang to look like a Blue Angel F-18..........

Hoss

Mb339, flies like a trainer��

F15 flys better than any trainer,lands slow very hard to stall just watch out for drag in turns and the narrow track

The short answer is.... a scale "War Bird" won't fly like a trainer. BUT... If you are a good pilot, then you may be able to handle the high wing loading, and fast landings. Even a lot of the scale military trainers have a higher wing loading over a typical trainer.

I've had this same conversation with guys at my club. The label of "Trainer" isn't the same as when you first started flying. A jet trainer, will be as hot... or hotter, than any prop model you have flown. Even the lowly ShockJet is capable of 150 mph, and full aerobatics. Really... the only thing a "Jet Trainer" does... it allows you to fly slower on landing, and is more forgiving of the speed. That way... the first time you throw full flaps... you model doesn't just fall out of the sky. OR... you don't rip the landing gear out on your first landing.


Anyway... like I said... if you are a good pilot... buy whatever you like, and fly it. BUT... going back to LiL' Hoss' idea.... a Scorpion painted in the blue angles theme looks like a F-18.

When you say trainer..I'm thinking of a 40/60 size Avistar prop powered high wing trainer and a turbine powered Eurosport (It's like a Jet trainer).
Its like going from a full size Cessna 152 to a full size T-33 Jet trainer.

So I say NO.

My Opinion

Yea, as you can see from the posts above, you need to provide some additional information to get an accurate answer. Are you looking for a "first jet", or a jet that flys like a .40-sized trainer? It would be nice to know what level of experience the person (is it you?) looking for a jet has.

If you're experienced and looking for a "first jet" that would be scale, an F-15 is the best choice, hands down. There are several F-15's out there that are 1/9 scale, simple, and relatively inexpensive. They generally fly great on a 120-sized turbine.

If you're looking for the jet equivalent of a .40-sized trainer, there is none.

Bob

Hmmm, I'd like to throw an F-86 into the ring. F-15's are very reasonable as well.

Most scale jets fly as well or better than trainers if properly set up.. and for those who enjoy traditional wood building this could be a good option:

http://www.tonynijhuisdesigns.co.uk/...e-Turbine.html

F9F Panther

I would go a Viper Jet it's scale and flys like a trainer and lands very slow. If you fly at Tmac go and watch Tyson fly

Damo

I second the Panther.

I have a PST version and I successfully completed my first turbine flights with it. Its not a handful, it looks awesome, and I'm hooked.

Dale

I think most turbine jet pilots have been flying more advanced models so long that they forget
exactly how easy & forgiving proper trainers are to fly. I think they take for granted how skilled
they have become as they have gained experience flying & operating these things.

I recently taught a friend to fly on a Hangar 9 P-51 trainer (the one with the plastic LE droops).
During training he did some incredibly dumb things flying it & it amazed me how out of shape
it would get & still recover without crashing.

Even the humble Boomerang (probably accepted as about the easiest to fly jet) is a very complex,
heavy, high performance model compared to what the average Joe is flogging round his local paddock.

The simple answer to your simple question - No. No turbine model is as easy to fly as a proper
trainer & entry level piloting ability for flying turbines would be above average standard for
everything else.


Just my opinion, some hero will be here shortly to tell us how he learnt to fly models with an F-18 after
learning the basics on a park flyer.

- John.

.....now that's funny

I was in the same boat when I started flying jets, in that I didn't want to waste time and money on a "sports" model when I'm a scale guy through and through.

But I ended up with a falcon120. Cheap, super easy to fly, and will land slower than some of the .40 trainers at my field! Ooh did I mention how cheap they are?

thanks and and good luck!

The best and only is the eurofighter sport and scale in one super stable on the runway and the air .

Seen plenty euros fly and very rarely seen one not have problems with landing gear, neatly always the nose gear...

The magic is to kept the pul pul cable out from the retracts reach the like to get stuck ther ,you correct I have view landings like this ,now I have 100% good with low tension springs to pul the cables to the side .now I have 3 eurofighters and no bad landings for over 3 years ,all retracts have little problems the worst ar in all f-16 and some f-18 to narrow and impossible to track when crosse wind without scratching the wings.

Thanks guys, lots of good valid inputs. I'm more or less fishing around for general opinion. It's not like I'm desperate to fetch a scale jet and fly it like anything else. Though I fly for years, all sorts, CompArf's Extra330SC, Krill 33%Katana both IMAC planes, my scratch builds, 35% Bucker Jungmeister, hotliners, and my latest pylon racer, which goes faster than any jet I've seen in our club, I've always had a lot of respect to all of them. Jets are the only area, I have never had much to do with.
Damo, yes I do fly at Tmac and I've seen Tyson flying his Viper. Very impressive but a bit pricy for the first sniff to a world of jets.
I know what these things cost. At some point in another thread, I was actually thinking to build one but it seems like it's not really worth it unless I was to go for something unusual, that you don't see often. Since then I changed my mind and I'm thinking of getting made up composite frame of some sorts. Oh btw, when I said trainer, I meant something with gentle and predictable flying characteristics.
I hope this makes more sense. I'm very open minded and will take advice.

I had a modelbau f-86D that was very easy to fly. However needs some work upfront to keep the gear from breaking out very easily.

I did my waiver on a boomerang nano. Second jet was a skymaster viper and I wish I had started there. It flies much nicer and lands easier.
P.S. not intended to be a slam on boomerang, I had a blast with that one too.

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here u go : http://www.skymasterjet.com/xviperjet.htm




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My choices are the Skymaster Viperjet and MB-339 and the Composite Arf Tutor CT114. They are all nice scale planes and they do fly as a trainer if required.

I agree the SM 2m Viper Jet with a Kingtech K100 is a good everyday flyer and trainer I think Lee just got one.

Damo

Gee, I better talk to him, next time I see him.That 2m Viper is very tempting. I like the looks of it.