So Im looking at getting a Sport jet in this size range, 103in wing or so, and it seems like the T3 and Havoc SS are around $1500 apart in pricing. I have seen Pablo spank the crap out of the SS and I have no dought it will last forever, but before I spend his kind of money I have to weight all my options.

There dose not seem to be any info on the T3, it dose seem to have nice oil struts for my grass field, but the Havoc are using a great set of Electron gear.

Im not a fan of he tuna shaped jets, and Im a little worried as I have a large Avaion Design Diamon that is a blast to fly, but I dont dare rip it as tight as I see the Havoc SS fly.

What are your thoghts between these two jets?

Anyone see a T3 fly?

T3 is
103W x 118 L and $5100 shipped

Havoc SS
85W x 105in L and around $6500 shipped

Pilot Predator 2.7M with 3D pipe
94in W x 106 L and $4275 shipped.

What are your thoughts?

My opinion is a Havoc SS due to the build quality, strength, low weight and amount of flight abuse it can take as demonstrated by Pablo. You have the choice of Electron or pneumatic gear. A Kingtech 210 is awesome in it. The T3 is nice but to me Chinese jets still have a way to go to reach the same level. I examined a T3 in detail and was somewhat turned off by how "heavy" parts like wings and stabs felt and a few other things. The T3's I've seen flying are using a 260 or 310 turbine, so any $ you saved in kit cost you need to spend on the turbine. So when ready to fly both are pretty close in cost, but I'd still go the Havoc SS route.

Talking about big non scale sport jets ,,, the Mephisto is in the same price range.

I like the gear in the fuselage feature and big hatch.

Good day Mike.

Both jets are awesome and great flyers, Kinda not comparing apples to apples on this one though. The T-3 has 18" more on the wing and 13" more on the length and much heavier duty gear due to the size. Naturally it will be a bit heavier than the SS however the quality is in line. Sorry i'm not familiar with the Pilot Predator

We have many customers flying them on a 210 all day long. The 260 just came out and a few of use are now using them, yes it make a big difference when it comes to vertical performance but the 210 fly's the jet extremely well. You can get electric gear for the T-3 as well but I will tell you the factory gear is superb on the T-3

I've been trying to post video of some flights on here but RCU is giving me struggles. There is a great thread on here called T-3 build and pic's. you should check it out.

All in all buy what makes you happy and fits you flying style. All i can tell you is the T-3 is an amazing flying sport jet, handles very well in all acro positions and is very smooth and slow to land.

Any info i can give just let me know.

Good luck on your choice..

Vixen video if anyone interested..


marcs

Havoc is indestructible, the pilot is the limit, not the structure of the airplane

Titanic was only built in two or three almost equal ships, but Havocs are built now in hundreds and have proven their strength

I got a sweet Havoc SS, Unfortunately the same day, I lost my Aviation Design Big Diamond. I have a K210 at King Tec waiting to see if it can be saved. But until then I got a flight a few days back with a Jet Central Cheetah that I had laying around. I actually flew it at the same time as my buddy Grey was flying His Havoc SS with a K210 and it was fast! but I was impressed how well the Cheetah flew the Havoc SS.

Aren't many icebergs where the Havoc's operate.....

I have seen the Havoc fly in person, and following flight videos since its maiden flight and it is not possible to destroy it by any stick input, that's just the truth...

Give me that TX, I'll pull the wings off, trust me. But, based on your last post you have only seen it fly and follow the jet on forums and such. So you have never actually flown one? Is this correct?

You will not be able to rip the wings off, trust me...there are many guys who have tried unsuccessfully!

Have you flown an SS or a big Havoc?

You have?

Yes I have. And I own a T-3.

gunradd, I heard about that too. Anything is possible.

Yes the owner cracked the leading edge of the wing open during transport to Florida Jets and then tried to repair it with CA glue, which is not a good idea...

I heard the owner also admitted to damaging the wing in his trailer prior to the accident.

Pretty knowledgeable about the Havoc details for someone in Thailand.

Now how about some Tom Kha Gai? Level 5 for me.

I prefer Pad Kapau Moo ….

Well yes, actually I know the Havoc inside out and back again...

methinks Guido may have had a hand in the havoc if you have seen his work in the cougar and frankel skyray thread..