Hi all. Installing a smoke system in my Ultra Flash. I’ve put smoke systems in lots of my piston planes but this will be first install in a jet.

Where would be the best placement for the nozzle? A bit behind the turbine or would it work at the end of the tailpipe? I can easily do both but good smoke is my priority.

thanks!

Just behind the turbine tailcone, depending on the smoke tube you are using the end needs to be inside the turbine tail pipe cone dia by around 10mm and spray across the efflux.

We all heard/seen many models with different placements...
but Lighter side of RC made a video just about that and he concludes (in comments below) that right after turbine gives best smoke, thats why he went for that way in video.

Thanks all!

Put it out of the back of the airplane

I've done it both ways on several jets. Pros and Cons for both ways. Just some of my observations below:

Right behind the turbine is hotter and gets better smoke most of the time especially at or near idle power. It is possible to torch the fluid if especially if you are spooling up the turbine when turning on the smoke. Fluid is more likely to spill, drip, or leak inside the fuse if you have a accident or malfunction.

Out the back of the tail pipe gives good smoke as long is it is hot enough to vaporize the fluid. However, several times I've seen smoke density drop off as thrust is reduced toward idle and almost no smoke at idle even though the fluid is spraying out into the exhaust stream. Running the smoke tube between the walls of the pipe is a great way to preheat the fluid. Having the smoke nozzle at the rear eliminates the possible mess inside since all the fluid is sprayed behind the fuse unless there is an internal malfunction.

I always drill weep holes usually before and aft of each former where any fluid that may spill inside can drain out and not puddle. Seen a couple of bad fires after some puddled fuel got lit after a bad start. Just my two cents worth.
Gary

Thanks for the info. I’m going to start off with it in the rear. I’ve brazed an atomizing nozzle (bad dog smokes)on the end of a stainless tube so vaporization should be good, especially with the pre-heat.

There is a solve I think. This guy is always happy to help at www.smokinokiercllc.com

There is a solve I think. This guy is always happy to help at www.smokinokiercllc.com

‘I have his Turbo Prop version…..but the Jet version need to be welded…..so unless you can weld…it’s not a really easy option

He will weld it to a 12" stainless tube if you request it.

Ah I didn’t know that…..he was good to deal, he didn’t have anything for turbo prop before I asked

He is one of a kind for sure. Willing to try anything that sounds reasonable and he don't charge an arm and a leg for his services.

Put the smoke stick out the back of the jet, not at the back of the turbine.