Yellow Aircraft F/A-18 Twin!
09-01-2004, 08:39 PM
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Seems like you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say to you. You obviously like the airplane because you built it am I right??? then why not attempt to carry it to the point that it is a complete and throughly safe airplane. What I am trying to say is I have been there and HAVE rushed an airplane trying to get it ready for an event (many times) and although you WANT to fly it at an event and are justifiably proud of your accomplishment it would be a crying shame to lose it because the single piece of balsa that you felt was good enough to comply with the rules didn't work when you really needed it to. What happens then?? Why the big rush if it's worth doing it's worth doing right! Think about it ...... I think you will agree...... just becasue you did not have a cross ignition problem in these early days with the airplane does not mean it can't happen.
09-01-2004, 08:56 PM
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When's the bomber field deal? I could go to that.
Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Kenny, I learned a long time ago when stuff like this comes up, just shut up, go back to work, show up with your jet and kick someone in the jaw if they want to get into your hatch panels.
Compliance is up to you and the AMA dudes only. Don't advertise anything that is or is not in compliance. How many people here have waited and not renewed their ama till february or march and flown without it at an AMA field.
How many people here (and you know who you are) that has outright broken the AMA regulations related to speed at AMA events?
Come on, Kenny, just get back to work and have fun, enough.
Carry on,
Sean
Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Kenny, I learned a long time ago when stuff like this comes up, just shut up, go back to work, show up with your jet and kick someone in the jaw if they want to get into your hatch panels.
Compliance is up to you and the AMA dudes only. Don't advertise anything that is or is not in compliance. How many people here have waited and not renewed their ama till february or march and flown without it at an AMA field.
How many people here (and you know who you are) that has outright broken the AMA regulations related to speed at AMA events?
Come on, Kenny, just get back to work and have fun, enough.
Carry on,
Sean
09-01-2004, 09:38 PM
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Kenny,
Awsome job on a great aircraft!! I am glad you did a twin right and I can't wait to see the final product with the paint, pilot and oil stains
You have already done the hard part, so do what you must to shut them up and enjoy the bird, after all who did you build it for? Them that will always find fault or yourself.
Just remember to check everything twice and check it again!!
Awsome job on a great aircraft!! I am glad you did a twin right and I can't wait to see the final product with the paint, pilot and oil stains
You have already done the hard part, so do what you must to shut them up and enjoy the bird, after all who did you build it for? Them that will always find fault or yourself.
Just remember to check everything twice and check it again!!
09-01-2004, 10:11 PM
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Sean
Bomber field is in Monaville the 17th thru 19th this month
Myself, Mike and 2 others are driving to Texas the 15th straight
thru. fly and stay till the 19th, and head back to CA.
Bomber field is in Monaville the 17th thru 19th this month
Myself, Mike and 2 others are driving to Texas the 15th straight
thru. fly and stay till the 19th, and head back to CA.
09-01-2004, 11:59 PM
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Paul,
I received the high rez dvd today of the maiden. WOW! It is beautiful!!!!!! You can see so nuch more than you can on the internet! Thank you very much, YOU ARE DA MAN!!!
I received the high rez dvd today of the maiden. WOW! It is beautiful!!!!!! You can see so nuch more than you can on the internet! Thank you very much, YOU ARE DA MAN!!!
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Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Sean,
Well, I didn't really know there was such a thing as a "BVM card", I was just stating a fact. Obviously you like the bypass route, but others (myself included) has had very good success with open installs. No BV bashers over here, I am proud to own a couple, as I'm sure DavidR is, too. Overall, I enjoy your posts, though. [8D]
09-02-2004, 06:02 AM
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More finishing tonight. Gotta keep working, paint is on Saturday. Keep those guns warm Todd! I will have it ready... 
09-02-2004, 10:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: seanreit
Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Sean
Goin West, my BS comment is on calling David out with the BVM card. I don't fly anything BVM and would still solve this problem with Bypass'
Sean
If you do not fly anything BVM and would have solved the problem by using a bypass as suggested by David, then what does BVM card have to do with it?
Again....I still don’t get it. Why all this diatribe?
09-02-2004, 10:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: Goin West
David,
If it were YOUR airplane, it would designed/setup for bypassed engines anyway. BVM doesn't make any kits with open-install engines (other than the 'Cats), right?
ORIGINAL: DavidR
I don't know about an official JPO stance but if it were MY airplane I would have them in seperate bypasses. After all the rule is intended to try and limit the possibility of a fire. The intent of the rule is to keep fuel (at the time propane) from becoming cross ignited. It can't be too much work and it would take away any doubt or arguement.
I don't know about an official JPO stance but if it were MY airplane I would have them in seperate bypasses. After all the rule is intended to try and limit the possibility of a fire. The intent of the rule is to keep fuel (at the time propane) from becoming cross ignited. It can't be too much work and it would take away any doubt or arguement.
David,
If it were YOUR airplane, it would designed/setup for bypassed engines anyway. BVM doesn't make any kits with open-install engines (other than the 'Cats), right?
I said I'm sorry if I mis-interpreted it. Regardless, I stand by the statement that regardless as to whether BVM solves all his twin partition with bypass' so do most other manufacturers. So to say that "if it were your plane, it would be setup with bypasses' anyway should not take away from the fact that since Kenny's plane is NOT BVM that the problem or complaince wouldn't be solved the exact same way. In that respect there was no reason to make the comment about David's equipment being BVM. In this case, a twin is a twin is a kick ***** jet!
09-02-2004, 11:14 AM
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Geeeezzzzz do I have to explain this to you guys???
BVM kits only have bypassed installations, except the KC, and BC, and so goin west knowing that I am a BVM rep because of the BS rules about the signature line says......" I would only have that in MY airplane because he knows all I fly is BVM stuff" It was obviously a tongue in cheek comment, and obviously not a dig at BVM. However what does disturb me is that my opinion is not supposed to count because I'm a rep, everyone automatically assumes a bias. In this instance it doesn't matter that my opinion (which is right!) is that from a safety standpoint in a multiple engine setup (hello ..... that is what this thread is about right?) regardless of what the rules say if you compartmentalize the engines then you at the very least reduce the potential for cross ignition and a fire. The only reason I even got into this discussion was to point out that a lot of times we get ourselves all worked up into this frenzy of trying to prepare an airplane to fly at a particular event, over the last year I have realized that I enjoy my hobby a helluva lot more when I concentrate on building the airplane to perfection eliminating all of the potential trouble spots with my models. You won't hardly ever see my gear hanging down on a maiden flight, nor will you see a half complete installation of anything including wiring, plumbing etc... these models are expensive, both in terms of the money we invest in them and the time required to build them. Not to mention the fact that if a fire were to break out in that model in the air you are most likely going to lose the aircraft.
BVM kits only have bypassed installations, except the KC, and BC, and so goin west knowing that I am a BVM rep because of the BS rules about the signature line says......" I would only have that in MY airplane because he knows all I fly is BVM stuff" It was obviously a tongue in cheek comment, and obviously not a dig at BVM. However what does disturb me is that my opinion is not supposed to count because I'm a rep, everyone automatically assumes a bias. In this instance it doesn't matter that my opinion (which is right!) is that from a safety standpoint in a multiple engine setup (hello ..... that is what this thread is about right?) regardless of what the rules say if you compartmentalize the engines then you at the very least reduce the potential for cross ignition and a fire. The only reason I even got into this discussion was to point out that a lot of times we get ourselves all worked up into this frenzy of trying to prepare an airplane to fly at a particular event, over the last year I have realized that I enjoy my hobby a helluva lot more when I concentrate on building the airplane to perfection eliminating all of the potential trouble spots with my models. You won't hardly ever see my gear hanging down on a maiden flight, nor will you see a half complete installation of anything including wiring, plumbing etc... these models are expensive, both in terms of the money we invest in them and the time required to build them. Not to mention the fact that if a fire were to break out in that model in the air you are most likely going to lose the aircraft.
09-02-2004, 11:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: seanreit
Am I the only person on this site that can interpret the above statement as an elitest statement towards BVM? Unless you know goin west personally and know he pilots some BVM equipment, I think you read the above statement as a dig at David and his equipment.
I said I'm sorry if I mis-interpreted it. Regardless, I stand by the statement that regardless as to whether BVM solves all his twin partition with bypass' so do most other manufacturers. So to say that "if it were your plane, it would be setup with bypasses' anyway should not take away from the fact that since Kenny's plane is NOT BVM that the problem or complaince wouldn't be solved the exact same way. In that respect there was no reason to make the comment about David's equipment being BVM. In this case, a twin is a twin is a kick ***** jet!
ORIGINAL: Goin West
David,
If it were YOUR airplane, it would designed/setup for bypassed engines anyway. BVM doesn't make any kits with open-install engines (other than the 'Cats), right?
ORIGINAL: DavidR
I don't know about an official JPO stance but if it were MY airplane I would have them in seperate bypasses. After all the rule is intended to try and limit the possibility of a fire. The intent of the rule is to keep fuel (at the time propane) from becoming cross ignited. It can't be too much work and it would take away any doubt or arguement.
I don't know about an official JPO stance but if it were MY airplane I would have them in seperate bypasses. After all the rule is intended to try and limit the possibility of a fire. The intent of the rule is to keep fuel (at the time propane) from becoming cross ignited. It can't be too much work and it would take away any doubt or arguement.
David,
If it were YOUR airplane, it would designed/setup for bypassed engines anyway. BVM doesn't make any kits with open-install engines (other than the 'Cats), right?
I said I'm sorry if I mis-interpreted it. Regardless, I stand by the statement that regardless as to whether BVM solves all his twin partition with bypass' so do most other manufacturers. So to say that "if it were your plane, it would be setup with bypasses' anyway should not take away from the fact that since Kenny's plane is NOT BVM that the problem or complaince wouldn't be solved the exact same way. In that respect there was no reason to make the comment about David's equipment being BVM. In this case, a twin is a twin is a kick ***** jet!
I follow your logic here, but you have to read the smilies. True, there was no REASON to make the crack at DavidR, but then again there's no reason to post 90% of the stuff posted on this site! Wow, can you imagine if we only posted the comments that there was a REASON to post?? See, David is a PROFESSIONAL instigator. I'm only an amateur.
You're right. A twin is a twin is a kick-butt ride. Fact is, there aren't too many of them out there. In fact, I'm sure Kenny's will be the only one at Fresno if not the West Coast. That's what's so exciting about it. Kenny is now the John Holmes of jets.
09-02-2004, 12:02 PM
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Paul,
I received the high rez dvd today of the maiden. WOW! It is beautiful!!!!!! You can see so nuch more than you can on the internet! Thank you very much, YOU ARE DA MAN!!!
Paul,
I received the high rez dvd today of the maiden. WOW! It is beautiful!!!!!! You can see so nuch more than you can on the internet! Thank you very much, YOU ARE DA MAN!!!
I knew you would really enjoy the full-rez version.
Glad I could add to the specialness of this great project of yours.
Maybe next time, I'll have more footage to select from. One short flight requires using everything I was able to shoot, insted of selecting the best footage from several flights. I shoot successive flights differently. Wider shots, etc. But hey, this was a documentation of a maiden...not just a cool jet vid.
Your more than welcome Kenny,
Paul
09-02-2004, 12:10 PM
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Like I've said in other posts, unless I interect with someone all the time, my memory for who they are or if they are a funny guy or "one of the guys" is about as deep as a fish's.
My bad,
I might remember you now [8D] LOL.
Carry on,
My bad,
I might remember you now [8D] LOL.
Carry on,
09-02-2004, 11:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: KFalcon
The painter moved the day for paint to tomorrow. It will be an all nighter again...
The painter moved the day for paint to tomorrow. It will be an all nighter again...
DOOH!! call me in the morning Kenny, and let me know what is going on
am hitting the hay now.........too much, uh, well, cigars, ya, thats it
anyways, let me know whats up? is Mike going to be around this weekend
do you know? if not I guess maybe thats why paint is tomorrow?
09-03-2004, 07:20 AM
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I knew it would be a all nighter! Well if you count 5:15 am the end of the night.
I get just about every thing finished that I wanted to. The rest will be finished at 8:30am when the alarm clock goes off. I am meeting Mike the Dupont master at 9:30 to get started on it. I guess I wound be flying to watch Wills maiden.[
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I put some panel lines in all of the surfaces that had none. It was very time consuming but I think the difference is worth it. Better get to sleep, my 3 hours of sleep is getting shorter.
I get just about every thing finished that I wanted to. The rest will be finished at 8:30am when the alarm clock goes off. I am meeting Mike the Dupont master at 9:30 to get started on it. I guess I wound be flying to watch Wills maiden.[
]I put some panel lines in all of the surfaces that had none. It was very time consuming but I think the difference is worth it. Better get to sleep, my 3 hours of sleep is getting shorter.
09-03-2004, 11:06 AM
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Hi KENNY,
Here some shots of my 18/b ,just done the wing fold with the grid tape, labour of love!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers Graham.
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Here some shots of my 18/b ,just done the wing fold with the grid tape, labour of love!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers Graham.
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09-03-2004, 11:51 AM
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That is the difference between scale master and my just help the flatspot with some lines job. Beautiful!!!!! Now quit posting super scale pictures on this thread, you make a guy look real bad.
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09-03-2004, 12:11 PM
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Craig, check my F-15 build photos and look for search here on my F-15 build thread. I get into detail about laying down tape, and primering over and when to pull off the tape to get great lines
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