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I was just curious what the differences were... Flight characteristically speaking... between the Bandit's two vertical fin options. Why is one chosen over another by a particular modeler or pilot. >advantages/disadvantages??> or is it mostly just cosmetic?? Thanks for your inputs
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I personally think most of it is cosmetic. The straight fin will definately knife edge with alot less throw, however the sweptback fin knife edges just fine with plenty of throw. I own both with over 150 flights each and I really cant tell any difference than what I have mentioned. Ther are a few little differences in my bandits but thats because each is set up a little different to do a few different things. Ray
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I think it changes the look of the plane, the swept fin is great looking and the straight one is boring. Also there has been a couple of rudder fluttering incidents with the straight one.
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Jason,
If you don't set up either fin very carefully you can flutter the rudder on either one. I think it is mainly cosmetic, I have the swept fin on my Balsa Bandit but when I do get the new Super Bandit I am going with the straight fin.
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If you don't set up either fin very carefully you can flutter the rudder on either one. I think it is mainly cosmetic, I have the swept fin on my Balsa Bandit but when I do get the new Super Bandit I am going with the straight fin.
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From Darryl Usher:
A control hinge line angled back about 45 degrees gives you
up and rudder. In this case you only get about half the rudder
effect you would with a straight rudder post.
A control hinge line angled back about 45 degrees gives you
up and rudder. In this case you only get about half the rudder
effect you would with a straight rudder post.
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Mr. Usher is correct in that the strait fin is probably a little truer flying model, although with the increased surface area also a little more prone to flutter if not set up correctly. I'm building the swept fin, because i think it matches the over all look of the bandit better. Makes it look like the all out bad a** speed machine that it is, very clean.
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Hey boys,
what do you think about this one???
greetings
goose
( it is not a BANDIT , but full-composite and absolutely unbelieveable in quality...)
what do you think about this one???
greetings
goose
( it is not a BANDIT , but full-composite and absolutely unbelieveable in quality...)
07-22-2002, 05:00 PM
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not a Bandit
Originally posted by DavidR
Your right......it's not a Bandit!
Your right......it's not a Bandit!
its a JU / Revenge, but this guy is still out
of business and he`d sold the molds .......
but i agree with goose - the quality is
absolutely unbelievable ...
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other flight aspects??
There's a lot of knife edge talk... but Is there anything noticable in other flight aspects... maybe Spins... slow flight handling characteristics? Anyone who has flown both styles have any comments on these?
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To RTF:
Jets Unlimited sold the moulds?????
That is funny...
I just bought a kit of the REVENGE!
And it was made in that sold moulds.......
Nothing but rumours, I think.......
The quality is a lot better then the BVM Bandit.
It is absolutely perfect.
I know, what I am talking about; I had two Bandits.
Goose
Jets Unlimited sold the moulds?????
That is funny...
I just bought a kit of the REVENGE!
And it was made in that sold moulds.......
Nothing but rumours, I think.......
The quality is a lot better then the BVM Bandit.
It is absolutely perfect.
I know, what I am talking about; I had two Bandits.
Goose
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So, this is the first photo of the new Revenge-Kit!
Isn`t ist great?
I love it. This gorgous shine on the Kit.....
Has anybody flown it already???
Isn`t ist great?
I love it. This gorgous shine on the Kit.....
Has anybody flown it already???
07-23-2002, 02:31 PM
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Is it my imagination or does that look alot like a Bandit ripoff. You know, put it together and make some molds. How big is it ? Is it the same size as a bandit or is it completely different in size? is there a web site for the kit?
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07-23-2002, 02:47 PM
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Goose,
You say the quality is much better? In what respect? And it's flight characteristics?? I see a lot of Bandits at jet events this is the FIRST time I have seen this airplane.....unless I thought it was another Bandit. You are making some bold claims about a product that looks just like a ripoff of a Bandit. And....who the hell is Jets Unlimited I have never heard of them either???
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You say the quality is much better? In what respect? And it's flight characteristics?? I see a lot of Bandits at jet events this is the FIRST time I have seen this airplane.....unless I thought it was another Bandit. You are making some bold claims about a product that looks just like a ripoff of a Bandit. And....who the hell is Jets Unlimited I have never heard of them either???
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Originally posted by Tim Redelman
Is it my imagination or does that look alot like a Bandit ripoff. You know, put it together and make some molds. How big is it ? Is it the same size as a bandit or is it completely different in size? is there a web site for the kit?
Tim Redelman
Is it my imagination or does that look alot like a Bandit ripoff. You know, put it together and make some molds. How big is it ? Is it the same size as a bandit or is it completely different in size? is there a web site for the kit?
Tim Redelman
Check your P.M.
07-23-2002, 03:05 PM
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According to their website
http://www.flugmodellbau.de/04_revenge.html
The specs are:
- length 75.5"
- span 66"
No pricing is listed.
http://www.flugmodellbau.de/04_revenge.html
The specs are:
- length 75.5"
- span 66"
No pricing is listed.
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no ripoff
Originally posted by DavidR
Goose,
You are making some bold claims about a product that looks just like a ripoff of a Bandit. And....who the hell is Jets Unlimited I have never heard of them either???
David Reid
Goose,
You are making some bold claims about a product that looks just like a ripoff of a Bandit. And....who the hell is Jets Unlimited I have never heard of them either???
David Reid
hey guys,
it isn`t a bandit, its slightly bigger, complet different intakes / other hatches / no negative elevator and so on ....
Jets Unlimited was a small german model manufacturer, but once again: this guy had sold the molds to another company .....
the kit is now available from
http://www.redy-to-fly.net
but i guess the website is under construction at the moment.
hey guys, i cant loose the felling everybody over there calls BV the "RC/godfather". not each model is a bandit ripoff. the quality of this model reminds me more on cai-kits and there are a lot other high-quality models at the market not even the bandit.
Samples ? ..... Renegade, Raven, Bandito and in near future the harpoon XL e.t.c ..... all great flying machines.
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the quality of this model reminds me more on cai-kits and there are a lot other high-quality models at the market not even the bandit.
Oh Boy!!! Quality of CAI huh??? Hmm.....so that means everyone needs to watch these when they get in the air? CAI Predator at show center at Superman 2000 now THAT was an impressive flight....or should I say landing! I hope they are better quality than that, and lighter too! Whoever told you CAI airplanes were high quality obviously did not know much about model airplanes.
If you think I am picking I am, the thread was about the Bandit and not about a knock off of it. And since we are comparing the original Bandit design and a Bandit look alike, have you seen the new Super Bandit?? Re-designed intakes, larger fuselage cross section, elimination of the negative stab angle, different landing gear, different hinging techniques. No I don't think that BV is the Godfather but the shear numbers of Bandits flying at the events, at least here in the US says a whole lot for the design of the airplane.
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Originally posted by DavidR
Oh Boy!!! Quality of CAI huh??? Hmm.....so that means everyone needs to watch these when they get in the air? CAI Predator at show center at Superman 2000 now THAT was an impressive flight....or should I say landing! I hope they are better quality than that, and lighter too! Whoever told you CAI airplanes were high quality obviously did not know much about model airplanes.
David Reid
Oh Boy!!! Quality of CAI huh??? Hmm.....so that means everyone needs to watch these when they get in the air? CAI Predator at show center at Superman 2000 now THAT was an impressive flight....or should I say landing! I hope they are better quality than that, and lighter too! Whoever told you CAI airplanes were high quality obviously did not know much about model airplanes.
David Reid
ok, i saw one cai kit at a event in helchteren/Belgium three years ago. it was a build up kit from the German distributor and it looks real great but he didn't fly it at this weekend. i form my further opinion from what i saw on their website .... at least their pictures looked great.
but I owned also a bandit (swept fin, composite) .....
8500 German bucks for this go-fly-kit ....
go-fly-kit ??? it was a 250 hours job ....
the devil must have ridden me to order this thing
but at least, after the work was done it flies very well ....
knife edge? no prob with high speed and big rudder deflections
07-23-2002, 09:50 PM
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Re: no ripoff
Originally posted by RTF
the quality of this model reminds me more on cai
the quality of this model reminds me more on cai
The parts fit on my Raptor was abysmal. Scotty claimed it was an ARF that needed only about 40 hours to finish, but I have more than 40 hours worth of BONDO time in mine !! The incidence of the stab could be varied enormously depending on which side of the fuselage you chose to align it with, the wing and stab stuck 3/16" further down than the belly of the fuselage that it was supposed to fair into, the canopy looked like the Golden Gate bridge (touched at both ends, and stood about 5/16" clear of the fus in the middle), the elevators are 1/8" thinner than the stab (can you say "flutter"?), the bypass was a joke, and... and... and..
Ugh. I understand that no kits are perfect (even the hallowed BV stuff has some problems now & then), but in my experience CAI just took imperfection to a whole new level.
YMMV,
Gordon
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Originally posted by DavidR
have you seen the new Super Bandit?? Re-designed intakes, larger fuselage cross section, elimination of the negative stab angle, different landing gear, different hinging techniques.
David Reid
have you seen the new Super Bandit?? Re-designed intakes, larger fuselage cross section, elimination of the negative stab angle, different landing gear, different hinging techniques.
David Reid
Just Kidding boys
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