Is it ok to use K1 out of a filling station pump? Has anyone had a problem with it? I have a new P70 and have ran almost 5 gallons of K1 from gallon cans through it (at $5.50 a gallon). I just found a filling station selling K1 at $2.50 a gallon. Thanks for any input!!

Dean

I buy mine at the Mapco on the way to the field. Never been a problem. Just have a filter on the pick up line in the jug and maybe one inline.

I have a Jersey Modeler filler can with an inline filter. I think I will filter it before I mix the turbine oil in it also. Thanks for your input. I plan on burning some K1 tomorrow!!!!!

Dean

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Will fuel be available at Florida Jets?

Beave

I have had problems with pumped "low odor" kero on the west coast. The stuff left a yellow residue in the pipe and the enigne temps ran toooooooooooo high. The stuff was high sulfur kero. Burned fine in my heater but did now like my turbine. the fuel turned a dark purple color after adding oil. The canned kleen strip brand kero does not have a color change with the added oil. Things that make you go hummmmmmm. Just something to keep in mind. Howevery with the mild winters on the left coast most people dont even know what the heck Kerosene is. lol

Make sure it says K1. If not it is probably high sulphur. K1 kero is made for indoor unvented heaters.

I have been using Pump K1 for a long time now. I filter it with a MR funnel and get some trash and about 1 to 2 ounces of water for each 5 gallons of K1. It works just fine but does stain the fuel lines etc. because of the dye in it. Get a MRfunnel! It is great.....

Carlos of RTI will have Kero at FJ

Thanks,

Beave

Dito with Woj, i filter it before it goes into the storage jug, again before it is mixed with oil in the main jug that i fuel the plane from, it is filtered again before pumping into the plane by a pleated lawnmower filter, then the UAT and In-line filters.. Keep the storage and main cans air tight in storage and you will not have a problem at all. Russ

Guys,
Thanks for all the info. Happy flying!!!!!!

PS... K1 doesn't have any dye in it. The high sulfur #1 heating oil does.

Here in IL they have K1 undyed which does not have a road tax included in the price,can not be used in a vehicle.K1 with the dye is also available,K1 dyed has got a tax included in the price,it can be used in a vehicle on public streets.The station closest to me sells the died K1 for 2.99 a gallon,I have been using the dyed with no problems, same stuff here other then the dye and tax.

My mistake, I was misinformed. I think they started the K1 dying in the late 90's? because of the road tax issue.

I have never had any dirt or fine gravel in the gas station stuff I have used, but like others, I use multiple filters.... . none of the micropore filters we all use adequately filter out water, so I always catch a couple of oz in in a 2 oz jar looking for water, just like draining the sumps on full scale.....water with subsequent algae bloom while the jug sits in the hot summer sun will always ruin one's day........

Tom

Like somebody else said-Ge a Mr. Funnel-Will stop ALL water from getting in the can. We used these to fuel our ULs where water was always an issue. It is also just a great funnel. Scott
http://www.mrfunnel.com/

Scott,
Thanks for the link to Mr Funnel. I have always used Kleen Strip kereo purchased in (5) gallon cans but the price here in the Seattle area is now about $34 per can. I can buy K1 at the local gas station for $2.75 per gallon but I have been reluctant to go that route. I think that I will get one of these filters and see just what the local gas station is selling. If nothing else I will still have a quality filter which is a good thing!
Al Watson

If you can't get a good water filter and are worried about sediment/water in your fuel....Just position the weighted fuel pickup in your can a few inches off of the bottom of the fuel container. This will allow you to only withdraw clean fuel as sediment and water is always at the bottom of the container. The way I have my jets set up by the time my fuel hits the turbine it has been filtered five times...

Kevin

Thanks for the tip Scott......I now remember this item mentioned in a full scale mag a while back, used by those using auto fuel in their homebuilts.......

Tom

Dean,
I have a P70 too. I buy my K1 at the local gas station and have never had a problem.
Bob

Bob,
Sounds good. The K1 I bought from the pumps is just as clear as the K1 I bought in jugs so I feel it will be ok. I am also running it through 5 filters before it gets to the turbine. Thanks for the added relief. It saves a lot of $$$ too.
Dean

I live right across the street from an airport and have just bought blended Jet A to use. I can't find anything from Jetcat about prist causing any problems. Is anyone else using it?

Mitchell

Mitchell,
You probably haven't found anything from JetCat about Prist, because there are no issues with using it, and no reason to use it.
Prist is an anti-icing addative. It does no harm, or does no good either for that matter, in our fuel or fuel systems. Go ahead and run the fuel from your local airport and you won't have any problems. I buy mine from the local FBO, and have no problems.

All jet fuel contains a small amount of water. That's just the way it is. Water vapor in the air condenses in the fuel storage, distribution and pumping equipment all along the line.....from the manufacturer to the end user. At low temperatures, the water can freeze, forming small crystals that can block a filter or form into larger deposits at bends in the fuel lines. Prist lowers the temperature at which the water can freeze, because Prist is water soluble....it doesn't dissolve in jet fuel. It hooks up to the water molecules, and reduces the temperature at which they can freeze.
This is important in a man carrying airplane, or RPV like the Global Hawk that operates at altitudes where the temperatures can drop to a slow as -65 degrees F. The fuel tank sumps are always drained of the accumulated water prior to flight.

Since we don't fly our jets at altitudes that would freeze the water in the fuel, why bother with Prist at all?
Some people have the mistaken idea that Prist is an algeacide, but that is not the case.
Make sure that the pickup tube in your fuel can is an inch ot two above the bottom of the can, and you shouldn't have any problems. Pour the residuals out before refilling.
Keep an eye on the inside of your fuel jugs for any signs of algae contamination. It will appear as a stringy black mass of goo near the bottom of the can. Algae lives in the water at the water/fuel separation point.
I purposly left a 5 gallon can of fuel, (no oil) in the garage for over two years, looked at it periodically, and after having found no algae bloom, I mixed the oilk in it and used it.


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