stick08

Who knows more about this nice jet ? I would like to receive a lot of information .. please .... other views

thks

jacksonretlaw-RCU

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JD Enterprise,is the only one that I know of who makes a kit.Talked to Dennis yesterday about the kit.Been waiting since last year for him to make new molds.He said he would not be able to lay one up for me,until about two weeks.He is located in California.I bought my Wren 54 parts from him.That is the turbine
I would use for the Lavi.The phone number is,(650)359-0406.

mr_matt

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That was my favorite "new" jet of the meet. Bryce flew it many times, very impressive. It flew awesome with a JetCat P-120 installed RIGHT at the tail, very neat install. Very clever

It is not the JD kit, but a very well engineered german design. I am sure Bryce will comment on this thread later.

Bryce Watson

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Hi everybody,


The Lavi is made in Germany by Mr. Dehn/Flugmodelle & Technik
I have a JetCat P120 in her for power and she weighs 27lbs dry.
80" long, 78"wingspan, 30"canardspan. 31" to the top of the tail. No bypass or tailpipe turbine all the way in the rear gets the air from where ever it can(RIO's feet are even in the airstream!)
Gear from Flugmodelle..............BV wheels and brakes. Composite airframe, independent Canards, flaps, ailerons..........dual speedbrakes. Like the full size...........extremely rare bird! Long waiting list to get one. Excellent ship though, one of the best I've ever owned.

stick08

did someone can send more pictures please ....
thanks

if you cannot enlarge go to "loveflyrc pic nbr " dd"

Bryce Watson

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Sent ya mail man!

DennisF

I would like to know the manufacture of the model in these pictures.
BRG's
Dennis

b.bixel

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How do I get on this waiting list?

Regards,
Bart

I-NAV

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FYI,
Israel sold/gave the design to China who is developing the Lavi as the J-10. Might be a good source for different paint jobs..

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/...ighter/j10.asp

DennisF

Well now I don't know what to make of this I did sell a kit to a modelbau in Germany some years back, and the plane looks very close to my kit there are no specs mentioned length or wing span scale ETC, but i do know that to date JDE was the only manufacture making a kit of this aircraft and a lot of time and money and testing went in to the kit the same with every manufacture who goes into production of a model aircraft i am not accusing any one of anything but i would like to know some details on the model, while i feel there is no problem for any one to make a plug and mold on there own i do have a problem with anyone making a copy of someone else hard work.

BRG's
Dennis Fuente
JDEnterprises

mr_matt

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Look at post number 4, the Bryce's model is 80 inches long, your is 65 right?

Rider-60

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Mike,

thanks for this nice site.
However I don't believe that the J10 and the Lavi are "linked" together.The Lavi was mostly an F16 and I don't think that Lockeed martin would have agreed to sale the plans to china.....moreover the J10 looks really bigger ..what'do you think?

Florent

RampRat

"Originally based on the cancelled Israel Avation Industry (IAI) 'Lavi' lightweight fighter, the J-10's development has experienced some major re-design work due to the changes of requirements."
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce...fighter/j10.asp


"During the fifties and sixties the Tsvah Haganah Le Israel - Heyl Ha'Avir (Israel Defence Force/Air Force (IDF/AF)) relied on France for its combat aircraft. When, after the Six Day War (5 to 10 June 1967), France did not delivered the 50 Dassault Mirage 5Js Israel had ordered and paid for, Israel decided to develop its own combat aircraft. The first such attempt resulted in the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Kfir (Lion Cub), a multi-role fighter developed from the Mirage 5, of which a total of 212 were produced. To replace the Kfir, Israel developed the Lavi (Young Lion)."

"Comparisons with the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon are inevitable, as the US fighter made a handy yardstick. The Lavi was rather smaller and lighter, with a less powerful powerplant, and the thrust-to-weigth ratio was slightly lower across the board."

"The powerplant intake was a plain chin type scoop, similar to that of the F-16, which was known to be satisfactory at high alpha and sideslip angles."

"The Chinese Chengdu J-10 (F-10) seems to draw heavely on the Lavi programme. However, a close examination of the model of the J-10 shows nothing more than an old technology fighter with the shape of a modern one. A prototype was in the final stage of construction at the end of 1997 and Israeli and Russian companies were competing to provide the radar and the associate air-to-air missiles and air-to-ground weapons. The J-10 made its maiden flight on 24 March 1998."

"The total cost for the development and production of the Lavi was 6,400 million US dollar in 1983 and approximately 40 per cent was paid by the US government. The fly-away price for the Lavi would be between 15 and 17 million US dollar. The development costs of 1,370 million US dollar were relatively low, because much use was made of existing technology.
Even before the first Lavi (B-01) flew, the storm clouds were gathering. In 1983, the US government refused to give the export licences for a number of essential parts (for example the wings), because the parts provided high technology products. A total of 80 US firms would provide technology through licences. In 1984 the licences were awarded. Furthermore, the US government was not prepared to give money and technology to an aircraft that could be a major concurrent for the F-16C/D and the F/A-18C/D on the future export market."
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevo...ther/lavi.html



I guess that would be all the info one could need on the relations between the F-16, the Lavi, and the J-10...?

Rider-60

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Ramprat,

you're the boss p

DennisF

In respect to the model in the picture above there are certain characteristics that really echo the model I manufacture when i made the plug decisions had to be made in regard to it's construction which i will not go into,these items are exactly the same on this plane while it is possible for someone to make the same decision what are the chances of this happening, also if i where to add the length of the peetotubeto the over all length this would bring my model to over the 70" fuse length add a few inches of exhaust outlet as can be made as a separate component and there it is the wing is not a problem to add or subtract length.
So I take it from what is said in the above posts that everyone believes it's OK to say take a Graupner hot spot add a few inches here or there and call it my own because the new model now is of a different dimension.


Dennis
JDE

Ron S

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Dennis, I certainly don't know you, and you may very well be a very nice guy. But I think you're bordering on outta line when you see a model that is 10-20% larger than yours, then insinuate someone may have copied your design, but just made it bigger. The Lavi at the show was a very nice model and flew well. It did not appear to be a stretched version. There were also several makes of F-86s out there. Should we claim FiberClassics is copying BVM or Jet Hangar, etc.?

I'd like to get my name on the waiting list too, depending on the model cost...

This post is not intended to flame. Have a nice day!

DennisF

Ron
Thanks for your comments and they are so noted.
Dennis
JDE

I-NAV

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Copying kits is more common than you think, but really unenforcable on a scale model since the it is a replica. I remember when a US firm (since gone under) copied the best selling F-15. The manufacturer knew because there was a small flaw in the molding and it appeared in the competitor's airframe. He was mad at first but, realized he was getting more orders than he could fill and stopped carring.

Mike

Stig Andersen

Hi guys.

I was surprised to se the Lavi that Bryce brought to Florida Jets, since I thought that it was only popular in Germany. I was at a jetmeeting in Hamburg/Germany last year and took theese pictures.


This is Andreas Dehn with his creation.

This is a Tiger Lavi.

I have lots of more pictures of theese two planes.

Mail me at [email protected] if you want them.

Greetings from Denmark

SJN

Nice pictures Stig

when are you going to get one :-)

SJ.

shockwave

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Hey Guys,

Anyone know what the official scale of the jet is?

Thanks

David

Stig Andersen

I guess we can't have everything. I am expecting my Euro-Sport one of theese days.

I will send pictures to the guys that have mailed me, as soon as i gather them. I have talked to Andreas Dehn, and he says he has no web site. He says that having a www site will only slow his production down. (I guess he is right)

Regards

stick08

Another nice view of an unusual Tiger Lavi, i have much more pictures if somenoen interested and detail on price from Germany etc.

lovedf

stick08

lavi take off from grass

La-Z-Boy

cool!!!! thisd is an Israeli pride, it is made by the Israeli Air force and it is beautifull!
i saw a real one ! by the way im fro Israel....
on the model is "לביא" wich is Lavi in hebrew!