Smoke pump setup
06-19-2007, 11:18 AM
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Smoke pump setup
Hello guys,
I'd like to make my own smoke pump setup for a couple of jets.
I bought some SS tubes 1/8" ID, and i have a Sullivan Skywriter smoke pump with a small 7.4V lipo.
A few things i want to know:
1. why is everyone using 2 injector tubes ? isnt 1 enough ?
2. the crimp in the end of the tubes, whats the width of the slot i need to leave open ?
3. do you use the full pumping power of the pump (its variable from theTx of course) ?
Any tips would be welcome.
thanks.
I'd like to make my own smoke pump setup for a couple of jets.
I bought some SS tubes 1/8" ID, and i have a Sullivan Skywriter smoke pump with a small 7.4V lipo.
A few things i want to know:
1. why is everyone using 2 injector tubes ? isnt 1 enough ?
2. the crimp in the end of the tubes, whats the width of the slot i need to leave open ?
3. do you use the full pumping power of the pump (its variable from theTx of course) ?
Any tips would be welcome.
thanks.
06-19-2007, 01:19 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
smash tube end with sliver of soda can in slot, then pull it out when tight.. try 1 tube and low pump speed, if it doesn't work good then try 2... seems guys get different results with 1 or 2 tubes some like 1 some like 2... lots of info here on smoke systems, do a search..
06-19-2007, 06:47 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
If you want to roll your own, you will likely end up with a lot of splattered smoke oil on the floor and a lot of trashed SS tubing in the garbage.... Just spend the 15 bux and get a ready made tube (or 2) from Tam.... I tried various methods of creating the nozzles but nothing works as well as a store bought tube.
the skywriter pump works great...
The photo below is with the sullivan pump on 5 cell nicd and a single tube.....
the skywriter pump works great...
The photo below is with the sullivan pump on 5 cell nicd and a single tube.....
06-20-2007, 02:36 AM
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Wayne22, that looks like A LOT of smoke - if you get so much on a single tube why use more than one ?
A few things i would love to know from you:
1. Can i see pics of the installation (pump and tank) in your F-16 ? i want to put one in my F-16 as well (Cermark\Tamjets - i think the same plane as yours).
2. does it matter where you inject the fluid into the flow of the turbine EG ? from which angle or how deep in the flow ?
3. how long should the injector tubes be ? i mean.. how long should they protrude over the front of the turbine ? i guess they should be long enough that the front edge of the tube wont heat up and burn the tygon tubing that delievers the smoke fluid...
please advise.
PS - the store units are nothing but a piece of SS tube with a crimp at the tip. i wasnt willing to order internationally just for that.
A few things i would love to know from you:
1. Can i see pics of the installation (pump and tank) in your F-16 ? i want to put one in my F-16 as well (Cermark\Tamjets - i think the same plane as yours).
2. does it matter where you inject the fluid into the flow of the turbine EG ? from which angle or how deep in the flow ?
3. how long should the injector tubes be ? i mean.. how long should they protrude over the front of the turbine ? i guess they should be long enough that the front edge of the tube wont heat up and burn the tygon tubing that delievers the smoke fluid...
please advise.
PS - the store units are nothing but a piece of SS tube with a crimp at the tip. i wasnt willing to order internationally just for that.
06-20-2007, 10:00 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
Thanks, but there is a little bit of magic there...the 16 is just taxiing and the engine is at idle, so the smoke has nowhere to go...it looked pretty spectacular though..... If you want to see it in the air, here's a vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24a-Qc2uqiA
...sorry but the F-16 is all in pieces now..I haven't had time to get it in the air this year. I mounted a sullivan boat tank in the turtle deck behind the canopy...the smoke pump is buried down below there somewhere......
I've got it a couple of inches behind the exhaust nozzle and angled well into the exhaust stream
I used Tam's excellent smoke injector tubes..they include a fixed mounting tab that slides under the rear mounting straps for the turbine.....that fixes the length of the tube behind the mounting strap. There is a sliding tab on the front of the tube that slips under the front Turbine mounting strap..so it is adjustable for many types of engines. No problem with Tygon getting too hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24a-Qc2uqiA
1. Can i see pics of the installation (pump and tank) in your F-16 ?
2. does it matter where you inject the fluid into the flow of the turbine EG ? from which angle or how deep in the flow ?
3. how long should the injector tubes be ? i mean.. how long should they protrude over the front of the turbine ? i guess they should be long enough that the front edge of the tube wont heat up and burn the tygon tubing that delievers the smoke fluid...
06-20-2007, 11:09 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
this is a good read for smoke info> http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_46...tm.htm#4601589
06-20-2007, 11:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Wayne22
Thanks, but there is a little bit of magic there...the 16 is just taxiing and the engine is at idle, so the smoke has nowhere to go...it looked pretty spectacular though..... If you want to see it in the air, here's a vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24a-Qc2uqiA
...sorry but the F-16 is all in pieces now..I haven't had time to get it in the air this year. I mounted a sullivan boat tank in the turtle deck behind the canopy...the smoke pump is buried down below there somewhere......
I've got it a couple of inches behind the exhaust nozzle and angled well into the exhaust stream
I used Tam's excellent smoke injector tubes..they include a fixed mounting tab that slides under the rear mounting straps for the turbine.....that fixes the length of the tube behind the mounting strap. There is a sliding tab on the front of the tube that slips under the front Turbine mounting strap..so it is adjustable for many types of engines. No problem with Tygon getting too hot.
Thanks, but there is a little bit of magic there...the 16 is just taxiing and the engine is at idle, so the smoke has nowhere to go...it looked pretty spectacular though..... If you want to see it in the air, here's a vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24a-Qc2uqiA
1. Can i see pics of the installation (pump and tank) in your F-16 ?
2. does it matter where you inject the fluid into the flow of the turbine EG ? from which angle or how deep in the flow ?
3. how long should the injector tubes be ? i mean.. how long should they protrude over the front of the turbine ? i guess they should be long enough that the front edge of the tube wont heat up and burn the tygon tubing that delievers the smoke fluid...
Hey Wayne, is this the Cermark F-16 (balsa wings) ?
Can you link me to that boat tank that fits in there ?
06-21-2007, 12:09 AM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
Nope! ......you didn't watch the video, did you ???[sm=wink_smile.gif]
Sullivan tank: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...p?&I=LXFT72&P=
Sullivan tank: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...p?&I=LXFT72&P=
06-21-2007, 04:05 AM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
I saw the video, its very impressive !! any idea if the same tank fits in the Balsa wing version (Tamjets\Cermark) F-16 ?
Also, do you think i should inject the smoke right in the middle of the EG flux ? i.e. on the turbing center like.
Also, do you think i should inject the smoke right in the middle of the EG flux ? i.e. on the turbing center like.
06-21-2007, 07:53 AM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
Hi...
Take a look om page 6 on this link. This how Jetcat recomend to do the setup...:-)
http://www.jetcatusa.com/PDFFiles/Sm...tionManual.pdf
Best regards
Svein Roe
Take a look om page 6 on this link. This how Jetcat recomend to do the setup...:-)
http://www.jetcatusa.com/PDFFiles/Sm...tionManual.pdf
Best regards
Svein Roe
06-21-2007, 12:16 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
I was looking for a Tams smoke system. Apparently they are backordered. Does anyone know of someone who has them in stock? Its for a Rhino in my XL.
06-21-2007, 12:19 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
i3dm
This is a set of intructions written a long time ago, before anyone started using the built in pumps and such. Just DON"T stick the brass tube throught the tailpipe (inside)
http://www.crcja.org/faq/smoke.htm
Turbulence
This is a set of intructions written a long time ago, before anyone started using the built in pumps and such. Just DON"T stick the brass tube throught the tailpipe (inside)
http://www.crcja.org/faq/smoke.htm
Turbulence
06-21-2007, 01:27 PM
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RE: Smoke pump setup
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
I was looking for a Tams smoke system. Apparently they are backordered. Does anyone know of someone who has them in stock? Its for a Rhino in my XL.
I was looking for a Tams smoke system. Apparently they are backordered. Does anyone know of someone who has them in stock? Its for a Rhino in my XL.
We got few made lastnight. If you had one on back order. It should be going out soon.
Tam
