Turbine servicing...a crazy thought!
02-26-2002 | 11:48 PM
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Turbine servicing...a crazy thought!
After reading a previous thread about trying to get a turbine serviced I had a thought.
This may sound dumb but if a person was having trouble with service from the original manufacturer of a turbine, is it at all possible that a different manufacturer
of turbine could do the service? You know even if it's not their own brand??
Or, is there anyone out there that can do or is willing to do servicing on different makes of turbines?
Of course each manufacturer is in business to make money BUT what if they could service other makes besides their own?
Sounds like a good business opportunity....now only if I knew anything about turbines...hmmm...
Just a thought...
Myles
This may sound dumb but if a person was having trouble with service from the original manufacturer of a turbine, is it at all possible that a different manufacturer
of turbine could do the service? You know even if it's not their own brand??Or, is there anyone out there that can do or is willing to do servicing on different makes of turbines?
Of course each manufacturer is in business to make money BUT what if they could service other makes besides their own?
Sounds like a good business opportunity....now only if I knew anything about turbines...hmmm...
Just a thought...
Myles
02-27-2002 | 02:37 AM
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Liabilities
Don't think that liability will come into play. What about the guy who supes up his street rod and kills someone. Do they sue the original car manufacturer. Think not. But, I live in the Great White North and we're not anywhere as litigious as our wonderful southern neighbour. And hey, we're even better at hockey! 
We're going to look into it and we'll see what happens.
Ed
(Watched in '72 and was there in '74 and was stuck on a plane in '02)
We're going to look into it and we'll see what happens.
Ed
(Watched in '72 and was there in '74 and was stuck on a plane in '02)
02-27-2002 | 03:57 AM
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Re: Liabilities
[SNIP......... And hey, we're even better at hockey!
We're going to look into it and we'll see what happens.
Ed
(Watched in '72 and was there in '74 and was stuck on a plane in '02) [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Ed,
Ya just gotta rub it in, eh? :boxing:
We're going to look into it and we'll see what happens.
Ed
(Watched in '72 and was there in '74 and was stuck on a plane in '02) [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Ed,
Ya just gotta rub it in, eh? :boxing:
02-27-2002 | 06:31 AM
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Turbines and hockey...
Being a fellow Canadian, I must agree with Ed on both points.
Hockey:
50+ hears is WAY too long for a country like ours to go without a gold metal in our own national sport...
Turbines:
The US is a little fuzzy on the subject of maintaining other brands of turbines because of the restrictions on non-production or "homebuilt" engines. If any manufacturer were to go out of business, the customer really has no other choice but to maintain it himself or find someone else capable. I am really guessing here but if major components were replaced from wear or damage, the engine may need to be tested and proven like a homebuilt under the AMA guidelines.
In Canada the great majority of our turbine rules are based on the GTBA, opening the door for cross brand maintenance. Since most engines are based on one or two of the standard 54mm or 66mm NGV/wheel manufacturers (ArtesJet/TJT, Wren, GTBA, etc.), the designs are generally quite similar. Once the liabilities have been sorted out, I would eventually expect to see conversion kits, upgrade kits, maintenance kits, etc for a large number of today's engines... I don't mean to say it's easy and anyone can do it, just the people with the right experience and equipment to achieve the appropriate tolerances of machining and balancing. That's where the liability comes into play (see note below). I am sure Ed and Dean W (helijet) would agree.
To the end consumer, this is very good as it keeps all the manufacturers in check and prevents anyone from overcharging on maintenance procedures.
Just a note: As shaft RPM increases, the centrifugal force generated by an imbalance is squared, Force ~ Mass*Vel*Vel/Radius. For example, if a turbine wheel was incorrectly balanced such that the center of mass was offset from the rotational axis by even 10 microns, the result could be a vector of several pounds, rotating at full shaft speed. not good...
Later guys,
KW
Hockey:
50+ hears is WAY too long for a country like ours to go without a gold metal in our own national sport...
Turbines:
The US is a little fuzzy on the subject of maintaining other brands of turbines because of the restrictions on non-production or "homebuilt" engines. If any manufacturer were to go out of business, the customer really has no other choice but to maintain it himself or find someone else capable. I am really guessing here but if major components were replaced from wear or damage, the engine may need to be tested and proven like a homebuilt under the AMA guidelines.
In Canada the great majority of our turbine rules are based on the GTBA, opening the door for cross brand maintenance. Since most engines are based on one or two of the standard 54mm or 66mm NGV/wheel manufacturers (ArtesJet/TJT, Wren, GTBA, etc.), the designs are generally quite similar. Once the liabilities have been sorted out, I would eventually expect to see conversion kits, upgrade kits, maintenance kits, etc for a large number of today's engines... I don't mean to say it's easy and anyone can do it, just the people with the right experience and equipment to achieve the appropriate tolerances of machining and balancing. That's where the liability comes into play (see note below). I am sure Ed and Dean W (helijet) would agree.
To the end consumer, this is very good as it keeps all the manufacturers in check and prevents anyone from overcharging on maintenance procedures.
Just a note: As shaft RPM increases, the centrifugal force generated by an imbalance is squared, Force ~ Mass*Vel*Vel/Radius. For example, if a turbine wheel was incorrectly balanced such that the center of mass was offset from the rotational axis by even 10 microns, the result could be a vector of several pounds, rotating at full shaft speed. not good...
Later guys,
KW
