SM Hawk Maiden
11-25-2007, 10:46 PM
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SM Hawk Maiden
Hi guys, this past Friday we maidened the new ARF PLUS Hawk from Skymaster. All I can say is wow, this jet fly's incredible, very smooth and can do all manouvers on the book. Knife edge flying is a piece of cake...
So it took our builder about 3 weeks to asemble the Hawk, the customer went with a full light system from Flugmodellbau and for power the JF-100 Falcon. No surprises on the building stages, everything went in well and minor modifications where required. I am sure our friend Acrored (Builder) will provide some coments. He did do some modifications to the fel tanks though. We used an old F-18 main tank and modified the intake of the smaller tank. Check the pics...
First flight was by the book, after we tested range checks and other systems it was time to fly.
Apply full power and let the Hawk go, I pulled a bit of elevator and off the ground it went in about 60 meters, very impresive. Just a few trim adjustments and we where ahveing a lot of fun. Tested some aerobatics, great... Tested knife flying with low rate, PERFECT... This jet is so stable. Most flying was done with a bit more than half the power. The Falcon gives more than enough power for this jet.
Ok it was time to test slow flight capabilities so I went up, cut to idle and let the hawk slow down until stall. I was almoust stopped on the air, impressive how slow this jet can go. The right wing droped and I applyed power which came instantly and I was flying straight and level in no time.
Next tested the air brake, we opened it and it was very obious how the Hawk started to loose speed fast. No pitch changes with this manouver.
Next test, the infamous let's lower the flaps test.... So I cut the power to 1/3 and lower the gear, then lower the flaps slowly all the way down. The Hawk pitched down a bit but not much, but it was loosing speed very fast. I applyed power again and I was flying straight and level with a bit of up elevator. (We added a mix for later flight to fix this)
I took a couple of turns to see how it handled and then the landing aproach. No problem here, a slight high AOA on finals and the hawk landed smoothly on the runway. It was completelly stopped after about 40 meters.
So in general the jet fly's great, very fun and easy to fly. The customer is very happy with it.
On Sunday we went flying again, this time the customer flew the jet, on landing he came very high and pitch the jet down about 30 degrees. With full flaps the jet was slowing down quite fast but from his angle it was not really noticeable. When he was about to reach the runway he wanted to pull up but the Hawk was going so slow that he was unable to do it completelly. He was very lucky that he only got some gear damage and a few scratches, the Hawk will be flying again next weekend.
Unfortunatelly our tipycal camera man was not there so we got no video but I promise to get some new video next weekend. I do have some pics though.
Michel
So it took our builder about 3 weeks to asemble the Hawk, the customer went with a full light system from Flugmodellbau and for power the JF-100 Falcon. No surprises on the building stages, everything went in well and minor modifications where required. I am sure our friend Acrored (Builder) will provide some coments. He did do some modifications to the fel tanks though. We used an old F-18 main tank and modified the intake of the smaller tank. Check the pics...
First flight was by the book, after we tested range checks and other systems it was time to fly.
Apply full power and let the Hawk go, I pulled a bit of elevator and off the ground it went in about 60 meters, very impresive. Just a few trim adjustments and we where ahveing a lot of fun. Tested some aerobatics, great... Tested knife flying with low rate, PERFECT... This jet is so stable. Most flying was done with a bit more than half the power. The Falcon gives more than enough power for this jet.
Ok it was time to test slow flight capabilities so I went up, cut to idle and let the hawk slow down until stall. I was almoust stopped on the air, impressive how slow this jet can go. The right wing droped and I applyed power which came instantly and I was flying straight and level in no time.
Next tested the air brake, we opened it and it was very obious how the Hawk started to loose speed fast. No pitch changes with this manouver.
Next test, the infamous let's lower the flaps test.... So I cut the power to 1/3 and lower the gear, then lower the flaps slowly all the way down. The Hawk pitched down a bit but not much, but it was loosing speed very fast. I applyed power again and I was flying straight and level with a bit of up elevator. (We added a mix for later flight to fix this)
I took a couple of turns to see how it handled and then the landing aproach. No problem here, a slight high AOA on finals and the hawk landed smoothly on the runway. It was completelly stopped after about 40 meters.
So in general the jet fly's great, very fun and easy to fly. The customer is very happy with it.
On Sunday we went flying again, this time the customer flew the jet, on landing he came very high and pitch the jet down about 30 degrees. With full flaps the jet was slowing down quite fast but from his angle it was not really noticeable. When he was about to reach the runway he wanted to pull up but the Hawk was going so slow that he was unable to do it completelly. He was very lucky that he only got some gear damage and a few scratches, the Hawk will be flying again next weekend.
Unfortunatelly our tipycal camera man was not there so we got no video but I promise to get some new video next weekend. I do have some pics though.
Michel
11-26-2007, 05:43 AM
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Hola Michel,
como andas ??
I send a mail from LAKE WALES for you, we bought a BAE HAWK ( SKYMASTER ), absolutely fantastic!!!!!, I go to ask for you some accessories that had not come with the kit.
Abrazos
Jose
como andas ??
I send a mail from LAKE WALES for you, we bought a BAE HAWK ( SKYMASTER ), absolutely fantastic!!!!!, I go to ask for you some accessories that had not come with the kit.
Abrazos
Jose
11-26-2007, 05:50 AM
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Michel, that's beautiful! I really like that plane, looking forward to seeing a video on your website!
It's winter here with only 4-5 hours of daylight (and even then some fog or snow), but hopefully I
will fly the F-16 next weekend!
Tor
It's winter here with only 4-5 hours of daylight (and even then some fog or snow), but hopefully I
will fly the F-16 next weekend!
Tor
11-26-2007, 09:07 AM
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Thanks guys, we are very happy with how this jet is performing. Acrored should start reparing today....
Jose got your email, let me know what you need.
Tor, we just got a new F-16 1/6 here we should start building next week, after the repairs on the Hawk and after installing the Chute to my F-4[X(]
Michel
Jose got your email, let me know what you need.
Tor, we just got a new F-16 1/6 here we should start building next week, after the repairs on the Hawk and after installing the Chute to my F-4[X(]
Michel
11-26-2007, 09:28 AM
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I hope to get the chute installed next week, as soon as it is in I will post a video. I must say the chute system is awesome. I got it from Details for Scale. It is completely automatic so it releases by itself when certaion conditions are meet.
The F-16 is painted in a special color scheme the customer requested, I will post some pic later...
The F-16 is painted in a special color scheme the customer requested, I will post some pic later...
11-26-2007, 11:59 AM
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I hope to get the chute installed next week, as soon as it is in I will post a video. I must say the chute system is awesome. I got it from Details for Scale. It is completely automatic so it releases by itself when certaion conditions are meet.
I hope to get the chute installed next week, as soon as it is in I will post a video. I must say the chute system is awesome. I got it from Details for Scale. It is completely automatic so it releases by itself when certaion conditions are meet.
Adil
11-26-2007, 12:18 PM
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AHHHHHHH..... You beat me Adil.... No problem I am sure you will let me test it at FJ08...[X(]
The race for the video is still on....
The race for the video is still on....
11-26-2007, 02:58 PM
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Not sure as we balanced the stabs at 0 degrees, but I did have to apply some up trim in the first flight. I may ask the builder (Acrored) to meassure that and let you know.
Michel
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11-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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Hello Michel,
congrats to your succesful maiden. I'm also flying a SM Hawk but the old version. Can you tell us the weight of the bird and the CG. I'm also interested to know if you raise the ailerons on the landing pattern to allow a slower approach. I will try this during the next flight. It would be fine to see a video, especially landing. I'm flying on a grass lane and take off with flaps is uneventful and looks very scale.
My bird seems not to slow down as fast as yours does. I need to fly a very wide landing pattern to slow it down. Full flaps is applied on the final. Also my bird doesn't like any AOA when flying slow, may be it's a matter of CG?
But, as you say, flying the bird is just fun!
Looking forward to your answeres and regards from Germany
Andreas
congrats to your succesful maiden. I'm also flying a SM Hawk but the old version. Can you tell us the weight of the bird and the CG. I'm also interested to know if you raise the ailerons on the landing pattern to allow a slower approach. I will try this during the next flight. It would be fine to see a video, especially landing.
I'm flying on a grass lane and take off with flaps is uneventful and looks very scale.My bird seems not to slow down as fast as yours does. I need to fly a very wide landing pattern to slow it down. Full flaps is applied on the final. Also my bird doesn't like any AOA when flying slow, may be it's a matter of CG?
But, as you say, flying the bird is just fun!
Looking forward to your answeres and regards from Germany
Andreas
11-26-2007, 04:00 PM
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Hi Andreas, we didn't weight the jet but it feels really light and fly's with the Falcon (23lbs of thrust) just a bit above half throttle.
The Cg is per instructions at 180mm.
What do you mean about raising the ailerons, we do not have that kind of setup on the Hawk. I do apply some up elevator when flaps are lowered to compensate for the pitch down tendency.
In this Hawk the flaps are very efective at 100% they slow the plane very nicelly letting you use throttle to bring it down. If you apply only half flaps the Hawk will float forever as it will loose speed very slowly.
You have to be carefull with high AOA and low speeds as the Hawk will drop a wing if it gets too slow. You need just a but positive to help it reduce speed and flare on final. We still need to install the fences on the wings and see how they perform.
Michel
The Cg is per instructions at 180mm.
What do you mean about raising the ailerons, we do not have that kind of setup on the Hawk. I do apply some up elevator when flaps are lowered to compensate for the pitch down tendency.
In this Hawk the flaps are very efective at 100% they slow the plane very nicelly letting you use throttle to bring it down. If you apply only half flaps the Hawk will float forever as it will loose speed very slowly.
You have to be carefull with high AOA and low speeds as the Hawk will drop a wing if it gets too slow. You need just a but positive to help it reduce speed and flare on final. We still need to install the fences on the wings and see how they perform.
Michel
11-27-2007, 02:31 PM
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Hello Michel,
thanks for your answeres. And yes, I'm referring to crow mixing. I will try this to reduce the stall tendency of the outer wing panel. One question is left for me: How far do you deploy the flaps? On my Hawk maximum flap is about 30mm with an elevator mix of 15mm up.
These are the values SM mentioned for the old version and they work pretty fine.
Regards
Andreas
thanks for your answeres. And yes, I'm referring to crow mixing. I will try this to reduce the stall tendency of the outer wing panel. One question is left for me: How far do you deploy the flaps? On my Hawk maximum flap is about 30mm with an elevator mix of 15mm up.
These are the values SM mentioned for the old version and they work pretty fine.
Regards
Andreas
11-27-2007, 09:13 PM
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No crow mixing on this one. Actually the Hawk gets VERY slow before dropping a wing under normal conditions you shouldn't find this problem. I do want to test the small wing fences first and see what they do.
The flaps are set per instructions at 30mm, but I will double check since I found the Hawk to slow down quite fast with full flaps.
Michel
The flaps are set per instructions at 30mm, but I will double check since I found the Hawk to slow down quite fast with full flaps.
Michel
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Michel ,congratulations! What were your steering and rudder servos ? I was curious how that 161/168 JR.US. rudder servo mounted in the fin. Also did the front Ply floor need to be remove to get the cockpit bucket in?
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Hello Michel,
thanks for your answeres. And yes, I'm referring to crow mixing. I will try this to reduce the stall tendency of the outer wing panel. One question is left for me: How far do you deploy the flaps? On my Hawk maximum flap is about 30mm with an elevator mix of 15mm up.
These are the values SM mentioned for the old version and they work pretty fine.
Regards
Andreas
Hello Michel,
thanks for your answeres. And yes, I'm referring to crow mixing. I will try this to reduce the stall tendency of the outer wing panel. One question is left for me: How far do you deploy the flaps? On my Hawk maximum flap is about 30mm with an elevator mix of 15mm up.
These are the values SM mentioned for the old version and they work pretty fine.
Regards
Andreas
BTW, I loved this model so much that when I lost it I tried to get another, but the old model was finished, and the new one would probably be underpowered with my SS engine becuase its quite a bit bigger. So I now have a FB Hawk, which appears to be exactly the same model.
Regards,
John