6th scale f-22 Raptor
02-08-2008, 06:04 AM
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6th scale f-22 Raptor
After finally finishing a backlog of plugs for others, ive finally gotten back to my own labor of love project, the F-22a. this plug 124.16 inches long, and is being surface detailed as we speak.
Im also working a few shape accuracy issues. due to the size, and scale options, it will be configured as a twin. gear, canopy, weapons bays, tailhook will all be functional, and rudders will work as speedbreak like the full scale.
Of course it will have thrust vectoring and the cockpit will be ultra detailed. this larger size will make it easy to have all control horns and arms internal.
Any feedback or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Im not sure about kitting it, because of its size, and twin configuration, but maybe you can also give me suggestions on that as well.
Im also working a few shape accuracy issues. due to the size, and scale options, it will be configured as a twin. gear, canopy, weapons bays, tailhook will all be functional, and rudders will work as speedbreak like the full scale.
Of course it will have thrust vectoring and the cockpit will be ultra detailed. this larger size will make it easy to have all control horns and arms internal.
Any feedback or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Im not sure about kitting it, because of its size, and twin configuration, but maybe you can also give me suggestions on that as well.
02-09-2008, 09:56 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Thank you! to all you well wishers of the project. Its been challenging, but now the real work begins.
Ram-bro..... "how do you plan on heat treating your vector thrust paddles?"
This is actually not one of the more difficult issues of the project. the nozzles are external to the fuselage and will be fabricated from steel, so in that respect, they wont be any more complicated than the aftermarket vector parts currently available for other models, such as the set currently used on the comp-arf mig-29 that is depicting the ovt multi axis vectoring.... just more scale.
Falconwings.... Ya buddy, rivits screws and panel lines are a must! the jet would look like it was retaining water without them
Ram-bro..... "how do you plan on heat treating your vector thrust paddles?"
This is actually not one of the more difficult issues of the project. the nozzles are external to the fuselage and will be fabricated from steel, so in that respect, they wont be any more complicated than the aftermarket vector parts currently available for other models, such as the set currently used on the comp-arf mig-29 that is depicting the ovt multi axis vectoring.... just more scale.
Falconwings.... Ya buddy, rivits screws and panel lines are a must! the jet would look like it was retaining water without them
02-09-2008, 10:19 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Actually, what is one of the more difficult aspects to the project is attempting to model the complex shape of the Raptor wing. the numbers...The taper ratio, wing leading edge anhedral, root and tip twist, while normally not modeled on a model, is what in the case of the Raptor, gives the characteristic look of a curved wing in the lateral plane, in effect making it look like a bird, swooping down on its prey. without this curve, to my eye, the Raptor model wont look very scale.
Additionally, there is the added issue of the leading edges of the flaps and ailerons recessing into the trailing edge of the wing as opposed to just being hung off the edge and hinged, as is the case in most airplanes. the flaps and ailerons have a nonlinear curve spanwise, complicating this further.
Finally, you have the issue of the actuator fairings on the flaps and ailerons that rotate into respective fairings on the wing in a concentric fashion. here are a few pics of the real bird showing this.
Additionally, there is the added issue of the leading edges of the flaps and ailerons recessing into the trailing edge of the wing as opposed to just being hung off the edge and hinged, as is the case in most airplanes. the flaps and ailerons have a nonlinear curve spanwise, complicating this further.
Finally, you have the issue of the actuator fairings on the flaps and ailerons that rotate into respective fairings on the wing in a concentric fashion. here are a few pics of the real bird showing this.
02-09-2008, 10:28 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
I can definitely understand why the companies are choosing to model flat wings! its alot of non-fun. kinda like getting a hot coffee enema!...........or how I would imagine that to be!
the first 2 pics are of the ailerons, the last are of the trailing edge flaps, showing the bending and twisting component that conforms with the wing shape.
the first 2 pics are of the ailerons, the last are of the trailing edge flaps, showing the bending and twisting component that conforms with the wing shape.
02-10-2008, 12:45 AM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
wow awsome please dont stop posting im sure many on hear would like to see all your progress on what is becoming a very very awsome build and i have to comend your workmanship and atention to detail its just like wow that is soo nice as im looking at these pictures
02-10-2008, 07:27 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Thanx for the kind words P-80, I appreciate your interest in the project. surface detailing will take a while, so ill bounce between the cockpit design, and gear when i need a break.
02-10-2008, 07:42 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Hi Bela:
THis is a great project you are working on. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind. Do you intend marketing your product, to the public and if you do, how much will a kit cost? I'm getting very interested by what you've shown us so far. I like your attention to detal, leading edge flaps, trailing edge flas that all will work close to the full scales version...
THis is a great project you are working on. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind. Do you intend marketing your product, to the public and if you do, how much will a kit cost? I'm getting very interested by what you've shown us so far. I like your attention to detal, leading edge flaps, trailing edge flas that all will work close to the full scales version...
02-10-2008, 08:30 PM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
HI Bela!!! I am really love what you have done!!!!!!!!!!!! I would be very interested in buying one of these planes from you!!!!!!! What price would make worth your while to make one available for me???? Thanks Will
02-11-2008, 06:58 AM
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Hey Bela......how about a full miniature avionics and weapon management sys suite for your bird to bring out the very best of it's capabilities? Ours weigh only 2.5 lb. and cost some 120 k. but what a rush to have one installed!! He He He.....Beautiful work!!!
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
fiifiward and thetruth, Thank you. its a bit early to be thinking about retailing, Its quite alot of plane and i dont feel confident about bringing it in under the AMA weight limit. for now, ill concentrate on getting it to the point of flight.
Lavi Rider, what a cool little "accessory"! but then you would have to help me design functional armament then wouldnt you?
btw, any news on your phantom?
Lavi Rider, what a cool little "accessory"! but then you would have to help me design functional armament then wouldnt you?
btw, any news on your phantom?
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Wow!! We are working on a store bought "flat wing" raptor right now, and can really appreciate the effort you are putting into scaling out those wings........
03-13-2008, 01:00 AM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Thanx Wayne22! how far along are you on your Raptor? do you plan on emulating the pearlized paint? Ive seen on one of the display models where someone had worked out a convincing mixture. looked pretty good.
Currently, ive separated the frame from the canopy, because there is alot of frame detailing that will be lost if it is vacumned formed with the canopy.
Currently, ive separated the frame from the canopy, because there is alot of frame detailing that will be lost if it is vacumned formed with the canopy.
03-15-2008, 06:16 AM
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Thanx Joe!
Hey i thought you guys might be interested to see the raptor can actually do a cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8&q=F-22&hl=en
Hey i thought you guys might be interested to see the raptor can actually do a cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8&q=F-22&hl=en
03-15-2008, 01:15 PM
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Bela, I was actually kidding, you can't see the rivets on the real Raptor becasue they are covered with sealant and Stealth Kote (TM).
Panel lines are really thin, almost invisible. Very few access panels on this one.
Looks lovely!!
David
Panel lines are really thin, almost invisible. Very few access panels on this one.
Looks lovely!!
David
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RE: 6th scale f-22 Raptor
Falconwings,
Hey guy, I knew you were kidding. but seriously, when you get to go over the full size Raptor, you will notice that even with the Ram coating, the rivits are often not totally obscured. I've noticed this in some areas more than others, and though the panel lines are razor thin, the panel borders are actually raised, particularly along the sawtooth ends.
While its true there are relatively few access panels, those panels and screws are highly visable.
Actually, Its turning out to be more difficult doing these types of panels than expected, but its slowly coming.
Hey guy, I knew you were kidding.
but seriously, when you get to go over the full size Raptor, you will notice that even with the Ram coating, the rivits are often not totally obscured. I've noticed this in some areas more than others, and though the panel lines are razor thin, the panel borders are actually raised, particularly along the sawtooth ends.While its true there are relatively few access panels, those panels and screws are highly visable.
Actually, Its turning out to be more difficult doing these types of panels than expected, but its slowly coming.
