Fuel Question
02-13-2008 | 07:03 AM
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Fuel Question
Hey Guys
I am pretty new to turbine models and unfortunately i am living in Ireland, where it is a pain to get Jet-A1! I tried to buy some from a helicopter school and at the local airport, but they are not so keen to sell me some
Now I am wondering If can use the so called "kerosene" the people here use to heat their homes without doubts! I cannot get any good information on what that is in special, but my guess is that its petroleum, but I am not sure. Does anyone know something about the stuff they use for heating? Is it a problem to use it with JetCat's and Behotec turbines?
If anything fails I am just going to use Diesel with Aeroshell tubine oil [:@]
Regards and thanks for any hints!
Hajo
I am pretty new to turbine models and unfortunately i am living in Ireland, where it is a pain to get Jet-A1! I tried to buy some from a helicopter school and at the local airport, but they are not so keen to sell me some
Now I am wondering If can use the so called "kerosene" the people here use to heat their homes without doubts! I cannot get any good information on what that is in special, but my guess is that its petroleum, but I am not sure. Does anyone know something about the stuff they use for heating? Is it a problem to use it with JetCat's and Behotec turbines?
If anything fails I am just going to use Diesel with Aeroshell tubine oil [:@]
Regards and thanks for any hints!
Hajo
02-13-2008 | 07:17 AM
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Hajo
We've same kind of problem here in Denmark.
I'm using Kerosene used for heating purposes, no fancy brand, just regular petroleum. I'm adding a "Diesel pest" additive, sold at boatshops. I ran into having alghea in the fuel and that is NO fun!
This additive is a part of Jet A-1, among other things.
I fly Merlin and JetCat.
Regards
Thomas
We've same kind of problem here in Denmark.
I'm using Kerosene used for heating purposes, no fancy brand, just regular petroleum. I'm adding a "Diesel pest" additive, sold at boatshops. I ran into having alghea in the fuel and that is NO fun!
This additive is a part of Jet A-1, among other things.
I fly Merlin and JetCat.
Regards
Thomas
02-13-2008 | 07:18 AM
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Jet-a is nice but has expensive additives you don't need. Diesel will do fine as long a you filter it well as it is more likely to have water or other junk in it. I dont know about the heating oil in your country.
Jet A and disel are such close cousins that your engine won't know the difference in any practical sense, I think.
I hope this helped....
Jet A and disel are such close cousins that your engine won't know the difference in any practical sense, I think.
I hope this helped....
02-13-2008 | 07:22 AM
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ORIGINAL: Hajo77
Hey Guys
I am pretty new to turbine models and unfortunately i am living in Ireland, where it is a pain to get Jet-A1! I tried to buy some from a helicopter school and at the local airport, but they are not so keen to sell me some
Now I am wondering If can use the so called "kerosene" the people here use to heat their homes without doubts! I cannot get any good information on what that is in special, but my guess is that its petroleum, but I am not sure. Does anyone know something about the stuff they use for heating? Is it a problem to use it with JetCat's and Behotec turbines?
If anything fails I am just going to use Diesel with Aeroshell tubine oil [:@]
Regards and thanks for any hints!
Hajo
Hey Guys
I am pretty new to turbine models and unfortunately i am living in Ireland, where it is a pain to get Jet-A1! I tried to buy some from a helicopter school and at the local airport, but they are not so keen to sell me some
Now I am wondering If can use the so called "kerosene" the people here use to heat their homes without doubts! I cannot get any good information on what that is in special, but my guess is that its petroleum, but I am not sure. Does anyone know something about the stuff they use for heating? Is it a problem to use it with JetCat's and Behotec turbines?
If anything fails I am just going to use Diesel with Aeroshell tubine oil [:@]
Regards and thanks for any hints!
Hajo
just use the heat oil or as known petroleum ,or kerosene.
dont use diesel! , you would need to mix some gasoline (10-15%) with this.
also diesel leaves a terrible residue , smell , and is bot really recomended by anyone..
Diesel will also shorten your lifespan on bearings and Combustion chambers
sont compare this with real scale aviation , they CAN burn about anything you trow in there.
our little engines cant cope to good ...
02-13-2008 | 07:55 AM
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RE: Fuel Question
Do you have any jet contacts locally? We have several customers flying in Ireland, if you pm me your phone number I'll ask one of them to get in touch with you and tell you what fuel they are using and where they get it.
In England the heating fuel we use is known as paraffin rather than kerosene. Don't use diesel or petrol.
Sara Parish
Wren Turbines
In England the heating fuel we use is known as paraffin rather than kerosene. Don't use diesel or petrol.
Sara Parish
Wren Turbines
02-13-2008 | 08:20 AM
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Jet A and disel are such close cousins that your engine won't know the difference in any practical sense, I think.
Jet A and disel are such close cousins that your engine won't know the difference in any practical sense, I think.
02-13-2008 | 09:28 AM
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in the US paraffin is called 'Lamp Oil' and is not the same as Kerosene.
in laymen terms you take crude oil or vegetable oil and through fractional distillation you'll get diesel, distill it further and you've got paraffin oil, distill it further and you get Kero.
in laymen terms you take crude oil or vegetable oil and through fractional distillation you'll get diesel, distill it further and you've got paraffin oil, distill it further and you get Kero.
02-13-2008 | 10:38 AM
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From: Nord-Baden, , GERMANY
RE: Fuel Question
If everything else fails I will have to rely on Irish Whiskey, even though the price per liter will make me poor in no time!
Thanks everyone, off to tap some kerosene from a buddies' oil tank!
Thanks everyone, off to tap some kerosene from a buddies' oil tank!
02-13-2008 | 11:48 AM
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KC36330,
Look up kerosene in the dictionary and see what it says. Actually lamp oil is a further distillation of kerosene.
Here's a couple of quotes:
Joe
Look up kerosene in the dictionary and see what it says. Actually lamp oil is a further distillation of kerosene.
Here's a couple of quotes:
Kerosene, sometimes spelled kerosine in scientific and industrial usage,[1] is a flammable hydrocarbon liquid. The name is derived from Greek "keros" (κηÏός wax).
It is commonly called paraffin oil or paraffin in the UK and South Africa (not to be confused with the waxy solid also called paraffin wax or just paraffin); the term kerosene is usual in much of Canada, the U.S., Australia, and New Zealand.[2]
It is commonly called paraffin oil or paraffin in the UK and South Africa (not to be confused with the waxy solid also called paraffin wax or just paraffin); the term kerosene is usual in much of Canada, the U.S., Australia, and New Zealand.[2]
Lamp oil is a liquid petroleum product that is designed to burn cleanly in brass and glass oil lamps, torches and lanterns. In the same family as kerosene, lamp oil has been further processed and refined so that it doesn't produce as much harmful smoke, soot and other pollutants.
02-13-2008 | 12:51 PM
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Joe
Lamp oil is a liquid petroleum product that is designed to burn cleanly in brass and glass oil lamps, torches and lanterns. In the same family as kerosene, lamp oil has been further processed and refined so that it doesn't produce as much harmful smoke, soot and other pollutants.
02-13-2008 | 03:41 PM
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On the subject of kerosene......
I was thinking of buying a large quantity to last a while. Do I need to worry about it going bad or do I need to worry about moisture contamination? What's the shelf life on kerosene?
Thanks, Jim
I was thinking of buying a large quantity to last a while. Do I need to worry about it going bad or do I need to worry about moisture contamination? What's the shelf life on kerosene?
Thanks, Jim
02-13-2008 | 04:50 PM
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if it's kept sealed i guess it'll last indefinitely. i had several 5g cans of the Crown brand i got at a season discount and they sat in my old shop for 5-6 yrs (used for a heater) then when i was running low one day i opened one and used it, worked as good as new did.
02-14-2008 | 05:06 AM
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From: SAO JOSE DO RIO PRETO-SP, BRAZIL
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Hi Thomas,
I saw the ARTES turbines function with pure DIESEL in 2002, but, I would like to know ( you have more experience ), the Diesel form much residue? therefore has much sulphur!
somebody already saw an engine dismounted after to function with diesel ?
In Brazil we have JET A1 ( relatively high price US$2,00 for liter ).
José [8D]
I saw the ARTES turbines function with pure DIESEL in 2002, but, I would like to know ( you have more experience ), the Diesel form much residue? therefore has much sulphur!
somebody already saw an engine dismounted after to function with diesel ?
In Brazil we have JET A1 ( relatively high price US$2,00 for liter ).
José [8D]
02-14-2008 | 05:31 AM
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Hi Jim,
don't do that, I stored for 3 months, when we were to use I saw the biggest family of fungus that I saw in my life! he spotted the deep one of the gallon.
I store per 20 days, not more, I talk with Carlos ( RTI ), he said the same.
I use many filters too, the kerosene is very hygroscopic.
I hope help you.
Jose[8D]
don't do that, I stored for 3 months, when we were to use I saw the biggest family of fungus that I saw in my life! he spotted the deep one of the gallon.
I store per 20 days, not more, I talk with Carlos ( RTI ), he said the same.
I use many filters too, the kerosene is very hygroscopic.
I hope help you.
Jose[8D]
02-14-2008 | 05:42 AM
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RE: Fuel Question
ORIGINAL: KC36330
in the US paraffin is called 'Lamp Oil' and is not the same as Kerosene.
in laymen terms you take crude oil or vegetable oil and through fractional distillation you'll get diesel, distill it further and you've got paraffin oil, distill it further and you get Kero.
in the US paraffin is called 'Lamp Oil' and is not the same as Kerosene.
in laymen terms you take crude oil or vegetable oil and through fractional distillation you'll get diesel, distill it further and you've got paraffin oil, distill it further and you get Kero.
yes and if you do that 3 more times you got your selfes a BUD light....
02-14-2008 | 05:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: KC36330
Joe sorry i don't agree with Wikipedia, I've used Paraffin Lamp Oil as smoke oil for quiet a number of yrs and it smokes like a train, works good and last a long time. and when the summer season comes to an end the local stores tend to put it on sale for a few bucks a gallon.......Kero on the other hand won't smoke at all if injected, diesel fuel does an excellent job as a smoke oil, but has a horrible smell.
ORIGINAL: joeflyer
Joe
Lamp oil is a liquid petroleum product that is designed to burn cleanly in brass and glass oil lamps, torches and lanterns. In the same family as kerosene, lamp oil has been further processed and refined so that it doesn't produce as much harmful smoke, soot and other pollutants.
then make your engine flame out at full poewer and see the nice smoke trail is produces..
it is all about ejecting the right amount at the right temp...
