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Old 05-14-2008, 02:56 PM
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This days I was looking for some F-16 cockpit pics and a question came to my mind... how can a left handed guy fly this plane?



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Old 05-14-2008, 03:07 PM
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Olá Enrique:

Like in the Airbus planes, the pilot has the stick in the left, but the copilot has the stick in the right.

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...0_cockpit1.jpg

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Same as the guys in the Airbus, you just have to learn............
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[sm=75_75.gif] How can left handed people fly any modern military jet? Aren't most jets setup this way, throttle on the left stic in the middle or right?

I am left handed and I grip with the right hand. Feels right to me.
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He "thinks" with the "right" side of his brain....
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Default RE: Intriguing (but old, I suppose) question.

Maybe you just have to be competent with BOTH hands ?

When I did my basic training, I learned from the very beginning to fly "left-handed" (left hand on the stick, right hand on the throttle/mixture/RPM etc) even though I am right handed. I thought it would be tough to use my 'wrong' hand, but it was really no big deal.

Dunno if the same applies for a much more complex cockpit like this.
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True, when I fly in Katanas I hold the stick with my left hand and work throttle and such with my right as Gordon said, but when using a joystick for flight sims and such I use my right hand for flight controls and left hand for throttle. I really don't notice any difference.
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no different then helicopters, the cyclic is right hand, the collective left and left handed folks don't have a problem with it, if they do then they prolly weren't cut out for flight in the first place.
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Hi everybody!

Interesting replys. As you guys mention, the Airbus and other airplane designers thought that both hands may do the same work, but in the F-16 the stick and throttle have a lot of buttons needed to be pressed quickly and at the correct time, so It seems that some extra ground school is needed for the left handed guys!

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Default RE: Intriguing (but old, I suppose) question.

I'm right handed but I hold a hockey stick left handed. It would be hard to reverse it now, it's how you learn it that counts.
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It doesn't really matter. I ferry airplanes as a sideline business and have flown with yokes, center sticks, and side sticks. Being right or left handed isn't an issue.

Case in point...flying from the left seat in a plane with a yoke, the left hand grips the yoke while the right hand moves the throttle. With a tandem aircraft set up with a stick, more often than not, the right hand grips the stick while the left handles the throttle. Side-by-side planes with sticks...left hand/stick, right hand/throttle.

Left/right hand...doesn't matter.
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ORIGINAL: erbroens

This days I was looking for some F-16 cockpit pics and a question came to my mind... how can a left handed guy fly this plane?



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Ride backwards, and use mirrors......
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:26 PM
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That's what I was gonna say!

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Default RE: Intriguing (but old, I suppose) question.

I am right handed and fly full size planes left handed with my right hand on the throttle. It actually feel normal to me. I can fly with my right hand too but the conditioning I have had with my left hand actually feels better. It is what you get used to.
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Ride backwards, and use mirrors......
it is a possibility.. seem to be already done in the U2!



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Old 05-14-2008, 05:28 PM
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With my daily lock up, they put handcuffs on me left, then right. It would feel unnatural to get cuffed with my right hand before my left!! [sm=bananahead.gif]

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Default RE: Intriguing (but old, I suppose) question.

Its really a stupid question. Pilots can learn to fly either way no problem. What makes you think a left handed person can't fly with the right hand? Throttle is just as important as the Stick.

Most trainers and large jets had throttles in the center quadrant. Sticks/Yoke are in the middle. After years of learning to fly from the right seat (co-pilot) you move to the left seat and have to switch things up. Its really not that hard and only takes a short time to re-learn the movements.

And I'm left handed and have over 100hrs in the F-16......not a problem
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Thanks Sweetpea01 for showing us your immense knowledge and wisdom.



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Sorry if it seemed brash, didn't mean it that way.......but its not different than saying how can you fly R/C planes if your left handed because the aileron/elevator is on the right side. You must have to change your radios mode.


There are those that can and those that cannot......and it really doesn't matter which hand is dominant.
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No problem, I will going to sleep nicely tonight anyway.


What surprises me a little is that the workload of the pilot in a stress situation, can break havoc in the brain of even the best
gifted guys.. and having to re-learn wich is the dominant action to do at the precise moment, may need some extra training.

And of course, I never flown a Viper unless in r/c and in 1/8 scale, but I would hate to fly it with the "wrong" hand.


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And of course, I never flown a Viper unless in r/c and in 1/8 scale, but I would hate to fly it with the "wrong" hand.


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I can explain this part.

It's the scale of the movement. You do not have to be as precise in full scale as in RC. In RC, such little movement makes such a big change in the airplane. In Full scale, you have much much more movement before you do something.

A pilot can fly ambidextrous (full scale), but can't write ambidextrous.

I would venture to say a true ambidextrous person that also flew RC, could fly his jet mode 1 or 2 with no issues.

FWIW, I've seen Eddie Weeks switch between mode 4 and mode 2 with no issues at all!
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It seems possible.. however you can´t use Eddie´s brain as a example, as he is from another planet!

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Default RE: Intriguing (but old, I suppose) question.

I'm a CFI and a King-Air pilot. I learned w/ flying w/ the left hand and throttle w/ the right (i'm right handed). Then learned to fly w/ my right hand and throttle w/ the left.

Now i can fly either way, doesnt really matter, you just gotta get used to it.
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It's actually extremely more difficult to get used to driving a car in England or Australia (after driving in the USA) than switching seats or going from a yoke to a stick in an airplane.
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ORIGINAL: ravill

With my daily lock up, they put handcuffs on me left, then right. It would feel unnatural to get cuffed with my right hand before my left!! [sm=bananahead.gif]

Raf
Why don't you have some of your fellow anesthesiologists sedate you BEFORE they cuff you? ...then it wouldn't matter.


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