I recently adquired a used BVM F-86 60" airframe. It is the older version. I would like to put a Wren Mk IV into it which puts out 14.5 pounds thrust. I have heard of guys flying the same plane on the same engine or similar. Just wondering if it is going to be enough or if I should possibly go P-70 size? I would appreciate any info. I am also looking for a used bypass, fuel cells, exhaust pipe, and some wing tanks for this plane if anybody can help. Thanks Jon

It flew ok* with BVM's 91 engine and fan version. I'm sure it will be a sweet heart with that wren.

Raf

*Ok means that it flew around just fine, but it barely had enough oomph to fly around for a missed approach or to get you out of trouble in a stall with that engine combo. I was also, however, a new pilot when I flew it.

I don`t have any spares for you but i have been flying the AFS version for quite some time on a P-60 and its a perfect combo. I have the BVM 1.75L tank and a Sullivan DF tank mounted along side the fuse near the bypass, it feeds the UAT. I get 8-10 mins of flight time with reserve. Your motor will work just fine, go for it.
V..
PS: i fly with the wing tanks on as well

TJ100 had better performance over all.
No fuel to carry and kept the wing loading light.
Is not a turbine or sound like a turbine. But it fly like it.

If for turbine. P-60 set up without bypass is the way to go.
The bypass kill all that thrust and not enough cool air go into the pipe.

The F86 will fly beautifully with the Wren. Mine flies very well indeed with a PST 600 and Gordon Dickens flew his, very succesfully, with a Schreckling !

You will enjoy it !

Regards, David Gladwin.

I had a BVM F86 original. Flew it for a season on a BVM ducted fan package. Flew great then converted it to the FD3/67 GWM turbine
( 1998 ). It also flew very scale like - lots of fun. A year later I stuffed a RAM 750 in it and that was too heavy and way too much power. You will be very happy with the Wren and I would strongly recommend BVMs bypass set up. Works great. My second one was the new AFS with full bypass powered by the RAM 500 initially then PST J600R. Fantastic package.

Great platform. Be reasonable in your choice of power and you will be rewarded with a very sweet flying aircraft.

reagards
Dean Wichmann

Thanks for the replies so far. I really do appreciate the info. Feel free to post if anybody else has experience or suggestions with this airframe. Thanks again everyone. Jon

I think a Gold 44 with Wren's augmenter pipe would be perfect in the Sabre.

Enjoying amazing performance in my Savex L39 with the latest Gold 44 I was just thinking it might be perfect in the Sabre, perhaps not for grass fields, but certainly off a smooth runway. I am still amzed by this little gem, and its startup time is simply incredible and it has impeccable manners.

Yes, a Sabre witha 44 Gold, less weight, less fuel (I litre woud be adequate) sounds good to me !

Regards, David.

I've got a manual start MW54 Mk1 (12#) in my "classic" BVM Fury. No bypass and a carbon-fiber 65oz. fuel tank which was designed by someone before BV did a conversion kit (came out of Gordon's early F86 with the FD3/67). It flies great. It's not overpowered, nor underpowered and weighs 14.5 lbs. dry. I'm looking forward to flying it again after either repairing my wing, or by some miracle, finding another "old style" wing kit or built wing for sale. Its a great flying plane with this power setup, and a couple more pounds of thrust would be even better still. Good luck with yours!

Rusty Bardin