ORIGINAL: patf

I have sent an email to the US distributor for the turbonycoil 600, no response yet.

PatF commented...
seems simple if there is "approved" alternatives out there that do not have op's, that is easily available, whats the resistance.

ORIGINAL: mr_matt

JetCat specifies MIL-PRF-23699 STD compliant oil. Same stuff used in full scale military aviation.

Turbonycoil 600 is a TCP free MIL-PRF-23699 oil. No organophosphates and according to the MSDS it looks like you could drink it

Enjoy!

ORIGINAL: Bob R2


Just asking for a bit of clarification here: Does JetCat approve the use of this oil given that it complies with their indicated mil spec?

Thanks.

ORIGINAL: David Gladwin

You just did. Below are the symptoms for starters, I pass on the info. for what its worth to YOU.

There's no reason NOT to continue jet flying as we do, just treat the oil with consideration for its possible toxicity effects on YOU now that you know they contain OPs. (organo phosphates, a principle agent in nerve gas), or eleminate the problem by switching to DTE or NYCO. They are real and serious and you don't know you are affected until its too late. I know, and know of, a number of people who have been seriously affected and one BA 757 Captain (Tristan Loraine) who became seriously affected, lost his licence and suffered serious health problems, and made an excellent film about it "Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines".

Mnemonic devices used to remember the muscarinic effects of organophosphates are SLUDGE (salivation, lacrimation, urination, diarrhea, GI upset, emesis) and DUMBELS (diaphoresis and diarrhea; urination; miosis; bradycardia, bronchospasm, bronchorrhea; emesis; excess lacrimation; and salivation). Muscarinic effects by organ systems include the following:

Cardiovascular - Bradycardia, hypotension
Respiratory - Rhinorrhea, bronchorrhea, bronchospasm, cough, severe respiratory distress
Gastrointestinal - Hypersalivation, nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea, fecal incontinence
Genitourinary - Incontinence
Ocular - Blurred vision, miosis
Glands - Increased lacrimation, diaphoresis
Nicotinic signs and symptoms include muscle fasciculations, cramping, weakness, and diaphragmatic failure. Autonomic nicotinic effects include hypertension, tachycardia, mydriasis, and pallor.
CNS effects include anxiety, emotional lability, restlessness, confusion, ataxia, tremors, seizures, and coma.

I am neither a doctor or a chemist but I have more than a passing acquaintance of the problems of OPs in turbine oil due to personal involvement.

May I respectfully suggest that before you start telling people to continue what they are doing in the way that they do it that you familiarise yourself with the basics of the issue. You may be rather surprised, even horrified, at what you find.

Regards, David Gladwin.

ORIGINAL: Molar mender

I checked out the ingredients for DTE light at the following web site
http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/m...e/wcd02e24.htm It lists Tris (methylphenyl) ester as one of its ingredients which is an organo phosphate. see http://www.epa.gov/HPV/pubs/summarie...s/c13318ed.pdf for definitions.

I checked up on the Turbonycoil oil which uses polyol esters as its main ingredient. See web site
http://www.safe.no/dokumenter/NYCO%2...008%20SAFE.pdf

Specs include the following:

Turbonycoil 600 :
- Polyol ester-based lubricating oil designed for gas turbine engines
- Viscosity : 5 cSt @ 100°C
Qualifications :
- O-156
- MIL-PRF-23699 F class STD (since 1985)
- DCSEA 299/A
- DEF STAN 91-101 Iss. 3
- OX-27 / OX-28
- AS 5780 class SPC (in process)
Strengths :
- Engine cleanliness (excellent non-coking performance)
- Low volatility and high flash point
- Low foaming tendency
- Superior lubricity
- Health & Safety profile (does not contain Tri-Cresyl-Phosphate TCP)

Seems to me that the synthetic oil is less toxic and has the performance strengths that we need in the size turbines we use. Also looks like the Turbonycoil 600 meets the Mil Spec that is required by the model turbine industry. Hopefully the model turbine manufacturing community is looking at the synthetics as a viable alternative to the OP's that we are now using. Just my 02 cents worth of research.

Roy

ORIGINAL: Molar mender

I checked out the ingredients for DTE light at the following web site
http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/m...e/wcd02e24.htm It lists Tris (methylphenyl) ester as one of its ingredients which is an organo phosphate. see http://www.epa.gov/HPV/pubs/summarie...s/c13318ed.pdf for definitions.

I checked up on the Turbonycoil oil which uses polyol esters as its main ingredient. See web site
http://www.safe.no/dokumenter/NYCO%2...008%20SAFE.pdf

Specs include the following:

Turbonycoil 600 :
- Polyol ester-based lubricating oil designed for gas turbine engines
- Viscosity : 5 cSt @ 100°C
Qualifications :
- O-156
- MIL-PRF-23699 F class STD (since 1985)
- DCSEA 299/A
- DEF STAN 91-101 Iss. 3
- OX-27 / OX-28
- AS 5780 class SPC (in process)
Strengths :
- Engine cleanliness (excellent non-coking performance)
- Low volatility and high flash point
- Low foaming tendency
- Superior lubricity
- Health & Safety profile (does not contain Tri-Cresyl-Phosphate TCP)

Seems to me that the synthetic oil is less toxic and has the performance strengths that we need in the size turbines we use. Also looks like the Turbonycoil 600 meets the Mil Spec that is required by the model turbine industry. Hopefully the model turbine manufacturing community is looking at the synthetics as a viable alternative to the OP's that we are now using. Just my 02 cents worth of research.

Roy

I will look into TCW3 oil next.

DTE still looks better than turbine oil...

ORIGINAL: causeitflies

DTE still looks better than turbine oil...