AndyAndrews

LOL! Very good point to make.

Mike Emilio

Didn't see them, only some renderings.

rhallgarth

On the 1/7 F-15E the intake has been corrected at the bottom front. Your picture is from the smaller F-15.

rhklenke

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Christian,

That's a bit of a wise-***** responce, don't you think? Actually, you *can't* just Dremel it out on the F-15 because the bottom of the intake liner comes out at the *top* of that closed off area of the intake, *not* at the bottom. Thus, if you Dremel out that area, you'll be left with the edge of the intake liner being exposed across the bottom part of your intake and with a hole in the intake into the inside of the fuselage. Both of those would look worse than the "mishaped" inlet, so I just left it on my F-15. I sure wish that they HAD done it right on the F-15 and hope they do on the F-14 - it will look much better...

Bob

SJN

Yes, the last 2 pics are of my skymaster f-15....same mistake on that one
I removed the closed off aerea, and built up the missing part of the duct afterwards. Easy fix, but it would be nice if it was correct from the beginning
I just included the pictures for comparison......looks much nicer when they are opened up....both on the f-15 and F-14

Bob Toilet

No i don`t. Have a nice day.
Christian

Ron S

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Wow, a lot of ACE modelers in this thread!
Arf Critique Extraordinaire!...

rhklenke

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Ah, so that it was an engage mouth before engage brain kind of comment then.

As Sonnich mentioned, it looks much better with the intake opened up which is easy to do if you're building it as a kit and then painting it, as I believe he did, but much harder to do if its an ARF. On the F-15 ARF with the Tiger Meet scheme, opeing up that area and "fixing" it so that it would look good is a major task - especially since FEJ doesn't offer any touch up paints in the US for ANY of their kits...

Bob

Mike Emilio

If you get a 595 color chip set, you can match it up to just about any shade of anything. When you know the 595 number, it's easy to get the touch-up paint in a rattle can.

rhallgarth

Didn't realize that was different jet. I just cannot believe they would design an inlet like that. I bought the 1/7 F-15E single engine from FEJ. I'm wondering if they supply the inlet setup so I can run a bypass for my P-180?? That will be a lot of air for a single turbine. I can do that myself if I have to.

I must assume they will fix the bottom of the F-14 inlet. FEJ gear seems to be good in general but they have air cylinder problems but I have always planned on replacing anything that does not work in air system with BVM parts so I don't consider that a big deal. They should buy from BVM all the air stuff including brakes IMHO.

The FEJ F-14 does not have the wing spoilers unless they are planned for released model and not currently included. The Yellow F-14 has them and they worked well. That is a major mistake IMHO because they are really the best way to control roll even though the stabilator is also a taileron or rolling tail in the real plane but only acts as such with wings swept more than 58 degrees. The spoilers are IMHO a good idea when landing/taking off since the stabilator needs to precisely control pitch not roll. I am sure the plane will fly without the spoilers since my JHH/Avonds F-14 I am building will fly that way early on before I replace the JHH foam core wings with a built up set with slats, spoilers, and flaps all functioning.

I am looking forward to my FEJ F-15E when it eventually arrives. I got it in the Isreali desert camo because a close friends grandson flies the F-15 in the Isreali Air Force. A very impressive young man and he does love flying the F-15 and raves about it to his granddad.

I've been grousing a lot about FEJ because I basically have no clue what is going on with my F-15E and I think it is sloppy marketing and sales to post bad pictures or drawings to excite jet model enthusiasts when they have not even flown the plane or put it threw any kind of flight testing. The F-15 was at least tested (without rudders). Just my humble opinion but it seems to me the Liberty is a better process since the modelers are involved. I think that is even more important on a scale model since FEJ could probably create a far more scale model with input from modelers that have a great interest in the "new" scale model they are planning to bring to market. I will bet the Liberty will be a very good model IMHO.

Imagine if they had started that discussion on the F-14. I would bet the new F-14 would have been nearly perfect since there a lot of people on here that are Tomcat fans/nuts and it is much better to get the design correct to start with than having to scramble before delivery and to make compromises modelers buy into.

Enough said since I have to go unpack my BVM F-86 that arrived this morning. here is hoping FEJ steps up to the plate and produces a great F-14 that I want to buy.

Mike Emilio

Yes, , , especially if they got data other than the typical 3 view freebees.
But I don't ever recall any manufature doing this. I imagine they have their Cad folks dig up books or whatever they can find, , , then go at it. All hush hush.
Typically, I don't see any manufacturers discussion about an F-35 either.

Compromises:
Whatever they may be, at this point, the moulds have been made.
Can't change too much with the mould without going back to the plug and starting another.

It may, or may not, be a candidate for some scale competition, , , but then 90% of the world would most likely not be buying it for that purpose.

It's still a great achievement.

To get into heavy true scale it takes custom scratchbuilding and dedicated patience like Harold Huff's incredible SU-27.

AndyAndrews

rhklenke, FEJ DOES offer touch up paints for their kits. I have personally recieved touch up paint from them for my Tiger Theme F-16. It came with 6 different colors and a bottle of thinner. I don't know why you would say this. Have you actually tried to get some and been turned down? Surely you have a reason for saying this.

Andy

rhallgarth

Very difficult to do after they have a mold made.

AndyAndrews

All they have to do is build a slight wedge in the vertical sab. No problem. Otherwise, I'm sure a new mold can be made if needed.

Andy

rhklenke

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That is what I was told by both James, back in about June, and one of their US distributers, back in about August. Perhaps they have changed their policy recently, I have not asked since then...

Bob

AndyAndrews

Well, James was the one who got them to send it to me. They must have changed their policy. This was sent out to me in November.

Andy

Doug Cronkhite

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My comments are more curiosity as to how someone can get so many of really tough lines and angles correct, and then miss something as simple as vertical stab angle. The inlets are another story altogether. Those can't be the final version, or someone needs to get their vision checked.

I'm VERY happy though that someone has decided to tackle producing such a beast after the many years of Yellow's 'coming soon' nonsense.

invertmast

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Heres what i really want to know.

Since the first 10 orders are $3450 pricing wise.. whats the pricing going to be for everyone After the 10 orders? $4500, 5500??? 6000?

AndyAndrews

You will never see a ARF from FEJ for 6K. Trust me lol.

invertmast

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I figured since this is twice as complex as the larger F-15 and about the same size, it'd be atleast $1000-1500 more than that one.

Mike Emilio

Don't forget to roll in the shipping, duty, and taxes, , , Ouch , , , ,[:@]

LGM Graphix

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Even if it is, I think it still sounds like a good price, I think that's less than the Y/A kit cost when it was available, I know I've seen Y/A F14's framed up sell for more than 7K on RCU in the past, this one is bigger, and an ARF. If it was from Airworld or many others it would be a $14,000 price I'm sure. However, since this is all speculation, I won't even pretend to know what it will cost. I'm excited about it, more excited than any other jet I've had

George

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Don't do it Doom!!

Been there, done that; it's very hard to see with wings swept. (Right Adil?) Since it's bigger, it may be a little easier to see in that configuration, but personally, not again. It is a nice scheme though.

George

Falcon 64

Correct about the CG.
However, the use of ailerons in swept mode will end up like Manfred Eberhardt`s F-14:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KlFxvUfkSAk
Using ailerons in swept mode locks the model in a dive without any control left, because of any use of ailerons make severe turbulence over the elevators, making them useless.

As some might know, he totalled his first Tomcat due to the use of ailerons in swept mode. The solution is tailerons.
So the ailerons can only be used as flaps when wings are fully extended, no more no less...
I just thought I`d add this, so the prototype can live after the tesing, based on others experience....

Brg
Gudmund

Adil Nasim

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As long as you keep it in close and high, its OK but yeah George, it is FUNNN when it goes swept..

Adil