Go Back  RCU Forums > RC Airplanes > RC Jets
 Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials >

Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Community
Search
Notices
RC Jets Discuss RC jets in this forum plus rc turbines and ducted fan power systems

Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-04-2009 | 09:20 AM
  #1  
marc s's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: farnborough, , UNITED KINGDOM
Default Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

I know this method has been posted or suggested before, but just wanted to support its ease of use.
I have tried cutting nice straight lines in fuselage or composite items using diamond wheels on Dremel type power tools, fixing a straight edge to the item and then either taking chunks out of the straight edge or the workpiece - either way the slot is never really straight, and often wider in places than others......
So tasked with cutting two slots in some BVM drop tanks for a fin i used the 'hacksaw' blade method. Trim a junior hacksaw blade down to say half its length (makes two cutters then), make a handle to protect your hands from the teeth - I strap two wooden coffee stirers to the blade and wrap electrical tape around them, leaving about an inch of blade exposed. Using a Dremel and a cut-off disc cut the tip at an agle and then on the teeth edge grid a small angle sloping back towards the teeth making sure you leave a tooth exposed at the leading edge.
Depending on the blade a cut will occur on either the forward or backward stroke.
Using a piece of stiffish material, flexible ruler, or as I find best thin glass board, tape this to the workpiece to line up with the slot you want to cut. Mark your extremities of the cut and then using light stokes only run the blade up and down the surface keeping light pressure on the straight edge. The blade will slowly cut through the gel coat and cut into the material, sooner or later (later with carbon layups!) the blade will break through in a spot or two, if you widen the slot big enough to get the blade in you can then use a sawing action to cut the slot open along its length - the groove already made helps keep the slot straight. Each end can be cut to meet your end points without going too far.
Hope this helps some, and sorry if its bored others!

marcs.

<br type="_moz" />
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Db85346.jpg
Views:	25
Size:	27.3 KB
ID:	1211803   Click image for larger version

Name:	Cy77541.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	22.0 KB
ID:	1211804  
Old 06-04-2009 | 09:31 AM
  #2  
jason's Avatar
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,370
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: kenilworth , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

In the BVM manuals I have built from they suggest the same but using a razor saw with the back removedinstead which give a really fine cut on things like gear doors on the Bandit. Good tip though. Thanks

Jason
Old 06-04-2009 | 11:27 AM
  #3  
jbrown's Avatar
My Feedback: (12)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 141
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Anaheim Hills, CA
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Good tip, Thanks
Old 06-04-2009 | 11:28 AM
  #4  
My Feedback: (44)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,882
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Mother Earth, the Sunny side!
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Good idea....

Jus to add to the above, I have in the past heated a #11 blade using a torch and this allows the blade to cut a very fine line in FG. Towerhobbies also has a soldering gun that has a special fitting where one can attach a #11 blade to achieve the same as above...works great for LG doors and hatches...
Old 06-04-2009 | 01:14 PM
  #5  
marc s's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: farnborough, , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Ehab, tried that and found it very slow going, really had to work the hot blade to make any progress. It certainly did not like anything with cf reinforcement which is often the case in areas where cut-outs are required.
Jason, found the blades blunted real quick on those razor saws, with the small hack saw blades just re grind the tip when it looses its bite and away you go.
Often wondered if there was a miniature version of those 'cutters' they use to remove plaster casts from broken limbs, might be useful in our game!

marcs
Old 06-04-2009 | 01:50 PM
  #6  
CraigG's Avatar
My Feedback: (40)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,098
Received 36 Likes on 22 Posts
From: Sautee Nacoochee, GA
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials


ORIGINAL: jason

In the BVM manuals I have built from they suggest the same but using a razor saw with the back removedinstead which give a really fine cut on things like gear doors on the Bandit. Good tip though. Thanks

Jason
Just to reinforce and clarify what Jason said, the razor saw method leaves a gap thinner than the Dremel cutoff wheel. Perfect for applications where the cutout piece is kept in place, such as with hatch covers and as Jason said, gear doors. Accurate to control as well.

Craig
Old 06-04-2009 | 02:55 PM
  #7  
My Feedback: (102)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,359
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Oklahoma City, OK
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Those "cast saws" you are referring to, would more than likely not work.  I use one frequently to cut bone.  One nice thing is that they will not cut tissue, so unlike what you see in the movies they will not whack a guys head off with blood spurting everywhere (although they will cut thru a skull pretty quickly).  They primarily operate by vibrating a blade, similar to a hacksaw blade, but with bigger teeth, in a back and forth type of motion.  The high frequency ossilation will cause the hard substance (ie, bone or cast) underneath to disentergrate beneath the teeth of the blade.  My guess is that on a structure such as the plane airframe it would just crush the glass or make an irregular cut.  The hacksaw or razor saw look like the best thing out there right now.
Just my two cents.
Old 06-04-2009 | 03:27 PM
  #8  
marc s's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: farnborough, , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Mmmm, Craig not having a go at Jason, I know the razor saw will produce a thinner cut than a Dremel cut off wheel, thats not really what I was getting at, more about a neat straight cut of equi-thickness all along. Incidentally you can get diamond tipped wheels which are the same thickness as a razor saw blade if the truth be known - just not easy to use! A razor saw blade looses its sharpness very quickly when using it on composites so where there is carbon reinforcement you can go through a fair few trying to cut the slot. The junior hack saw blades are cheap and the 'cutting' tip renewable with a quick grind off.
Doc cheers for the update on the cast saws, had no idea how they worked and guess following your explanation totally unsuitable for our purpose.

marcs
Old 06-04-2009 | 03:41 PM
  #9  
jason's Avatar
My Feedback: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,370
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: kenilworth , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials



</p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 115%">marc s,

not sure what razor saw you have been using but the Exacto one I have been using since 2001 is still sharp enough to cut through composites and occasionally my finger too

Jason</span></div>
Old 06-04-2009 | 03:54 PM
  #10  
marc s's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: farnborough, , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Its an Exacto one too, but the blades don't seem to last long when cutting through fuselages

marcs
Old 06-04-2009 | 06:32 PM
  #11  
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 78
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: horsham, UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Marc hi

Slightly off topic but can you give me a little detail on making tanks........

ie what type of foam to use for the blank and what cloth &amp; resin you recommend

Ta

Phil.
Old 06-05-2009 | 05:50 AM
  #12  
CraigG's Avatar
My Feedback: (40)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,098
Received 36 Likes on 22 Posts
From: Sautee Nacoochee, GA
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials


ORIGINAL: marc s

A razor saw blade looses its sharpness very quickly when using it on composites so where there is carbon reinforcement you can go through a fair few trying to cut the slot.
marcs
Very true. It's necesary to frequently snip off the end to have sharp cutting teeth.
Old 06-05-2009 | 05:54 AM
  #13  
CraigG's Avatar
My Feedback: (40)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,098
Received 36 Likes on 22 Posts
From: Sautee Nacoochee, GA
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

ORIGINAL: DocYates

One nice thing is that they will not cut tissue, so unlike what you see in the movies they will not whack a guys head off with blood spurting everywhere (although they will cut thru a skull pretty quickly).
Thanks for that graphic description Tommy. I think I'llgo have breakfast now.

Craig


Old 06-05-2009 | 06:29 AM
  #14  
olnico's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 4,120
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 10 Posts
From: Houston, Texas.
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Nice tip and description Marc.
Did you finish your composite hatch latch system ?
Old 06-05-2009 | 07:12 AM
  #15  
My Feedback: (102)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,359
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Oklahoma City, OK
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials


ORIGINAL: CraigG

ORIGINAL: DocYates

One nice thing is that they will not cut tissue, so unlike what you see in the movies they will not whack a guys head off with blood spurting everywhere (although they will cut thru a skull pretty quickly).
Thanks for that graphic description Tommy. I think I'llgo have breakfast now.

Craig


You're welcome Craig...I threw that last part in just for you.......LOL
Old 06-05-2009 | 07:22 AM
  #16  
marc s's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,294
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: farnborough, , UNITED KINGDOM
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Olnico, the samples were made but yet to find a man with a cnc machine who can cut the pieces in bulk for me, I have tried seanrit but he has gone off the radar and is not returning my skype calls
If you need a few let me know and I will send them in the post.

marcs
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Mk25123.jpg
Views:	21
Size:	60.3 KB
ID:	1212224   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ql32753.jpg
Views:	18
Size:	48.7 KB
ID:	1212225  
Old 06-05-2009 | 07:49 AM
  #17  
olnico's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 4,120
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 10 Posts
From: Houston, Texas.
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials

Well Marc, my best friend here in Dubai has a CNC milling machine and might be interested in helping you on this project.
He is the man who has worked on the F-22 raptor for a long time ( still in progress ):
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3189695/tm.htm

In between I'd happy to get a couple of these for my Me262.
Old 06-05-2009 | 08:04 AM
  #18  
BlackCloud's Avatar
My Feedback: (12)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Davie, FL
Default RE: Easy method to cut straight slots in composite materials


ORIGINAL: marc s

Ehab, tried that and found it very slow going, really had to work the hot blade to make any progress. It certainly did not like anything with cf reinforcement which is often the case in areas where cut-outs are required.
Jason, found the blades blunted real quick on those razor saws, with the small hack saw blades just re grind the tip when it looses its bite and away you go.
Often wondered if there was a miniature version of those 'cutters' they use to remove plaster casts from broken limbs, might be useful in our game!

marcs
Maybe this is similar to what you were thinking. Dremel's version of a "Tommy Saw" . Ijust picked this up 2 days ago. 1/2 price so Icouldn't pass it up. Thenew stock ones had a bonus blade in them but I'll keep the $50.

( Home Depot if you guys are looking, Its clearance season and you never know what you may find. I also picked up a Makita grinder half price. Most of the stores have the arc welders and small air compressors on clearance. Other stuff are one of kind items. Istop at every Home Depot I see now LOL.)

I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds like it would be perfect for the job you describe. These normally are $99, at least for this kit combo (Dremel 6300-01) that also has a triangular sander attachment.
Mark
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Ca82598.jpg
Views:	14
Size:	81.2 KB
ID:	1212232  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.