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Old 02-15-2010 | 01:41 AM
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Hi, Just purchased a high end turn key model from the UK and the model came with the model programming on a cf card. My 14mz is a HK version and it wont transmit when this model is loaded. I know that rf modules and radios are region locked... didnt know that even the model programming is region locked. Any way around this? Last resort will be to reprogram the whole darn thing.. which wont be that simple, defeats the purpose of turn key/test flown.

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Old 02-15-2010 | 09:38 AM
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When you try to change the modulation what happens? You might try the futaba support forum on RCU.  Futaba techs are pretty responsive.<div>
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Old 02-15-2010 | 09:41 AM
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Does it give you any warning, like you are not in the default condition or airbrakes are on?
Old 02-15-2010 | 09:54 AM
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Does it load any other models? or are any other's even on it? I'm not positive but I doubt there's a model region lock. One way around reprogramming is to make a zip file of the program of the CF card, upload it to the Futaba 14mzh club web site (you have to join but that's simple) and then down load it back to your cf card.
Old 02-15-2010 | 09:56 AM
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I got around the issue a hour ago....this way:  I swapped the 2.4 module with a 40mhz module. Needless to say, I had to change the frequency to PCM g3.  Once I went past that, it actually transmitted.  I turned off the radio, and swapped the 40mhz module again with the 2.4 module.  This prompted another freq change.  I switched back to FASST MULT.  When I did this, the radio worked and I was able to bind the 2 6014hs recievers.  Strange phenomena. The original program was created using a 2.4ghz module and test flown. 

Also, the person that programmed the radio had the channels assigned in a different manner as compared to the conventional channel assignment on a 14mz using a 2.4ghz module.  The PCM G3 uses the old futaba convention where channel 1 is aileron, ch 2 elevator, ch 3 is throttle and ch 4 is rudder and so on.  The FASST version uses a different one.  The model was programmed according to the PCM G3 channel assignments.  When I was swapping the rf modules, from 2.4 to 40 and back to 2.4, the programs channel assignement also changed to the futaba 2.4 style.  It was no longer A-E-T-R.  So all the controls were totally crazy, the aileron stick was moving the elevator etc.  I had to reassign the channels to AETR convention and then it was all OK.

I still dont know why all this happened.
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There is a discussion over on the Futaba support forum regarding channel assignments. The 72 MHz PCM G3 offered channel grouping so that groups of channels would all update at the same instant, vs. each one responding as its position in the serialized data stream arrived.

There has also been speculation that they did some clever things about more frequent updates to the least significant bits in the digital PCM words, and less-frequent updates to the most significant bits. This allowed fast response even with 12+2 channels, with the limited frame rates imposed by the 72 MHz carrier frequency.

2.4 GHz systems can have much faster frame rates, and the advice I saw Bax give for the 2.4 Receivers was not to worry about channel grouping or channel assignments.

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Channel grouping matters if you have multiple servo's controlling one surface, or two or more servo's on the elvator etc: as far as I can remember the 2.4Ghz grouping is in three's 1,2,3...4,5,6 ect so you would not want a two elevator airframe operating the two servo's on channels 2 & 5, I think the channel assignements within the Tx do this automatically.

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Our grouping for 72 mhz was in three's. But the grouping for 2.4 is in four's, 1-4,5-8,9-12.
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ORIGINAL: quist

Our grouping for 72 mhz was in three's. But the grouping for 2.4 is in four's, 1-4,5-8,9-12.
EDIT: just re-read the manual and edited this post before I make a compleate A** of my self and quist is correct 1-4, 5-8, and 9-12 are linked, but then why does the new 6014HS have 6 digital HS channels and not eight?

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