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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: jfetter ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated Jack |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: Super Kupfer ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix It sounds to me really like you just want something to complain about. Particularly with your comment about BVM. While you may feel they're overpriced and/or over-rated, the simple fact is, you were asking why the pricing had to be so complicated, somebody responded with a manufacture that makes it very easy and you had to make a snide remark. I have never found it difficult to figure out the price, 5 minutes and a calculator and I'm done. The problem lies more in websites that are incomplete or difficult to navigate. I went to PST's site and I can find every price I need except for the Panther itself, that's not complicated pricing on the airplane, it's just a bad website. Skymaster has probably the worst website I've seen for RC jets, by the time it's done loading all the pictures I've gotten tired of waiting and move on to something else. However, a quick email with a price inquiry solves the problem You comment on why is under carriage not included? What other manufactures include retractable landing gear for an airplane outside of the cheap crappy ARF's where the retracts don't work any better than some of the other leaky chinese manufactures? Yellow Aircraft will sell you a combo, but the gear is priced separately, even the old Byron stuff was available as a combo, but was priced separately and Byron's warbirds were a great example of airplanes where you HAD to use their equipment if you didn't want to make big modifications, but it was still priced separately. As for the jets, I prefer it to be priced separately. If for example I wanted to build say a Fei Bao F5, I would want to order the airplane only from Fei Bao because I don't trust other chinese components. That would allow me to buy retracts from a trusted manufacture, a Tamjets pipe, fuel tanks from Jettech, etc etc etc. I hate some of these companies like Extreme jets for example or FEJ's that require you to buy the full package. I don't want their retracts, I don't want their pipes and I don't want to pay extra for crap that I'm going to never use. Of course, it's just my opinion, I can't say I've ever found it complicated to price a jet. You seem to have somthing against the Chinese beware they will soon take over the world and all Canada will be left with is more pine forests........... I have built many ARTF's (Over 100 in fact) and many have very good retracts. Personally I don't feel comfortable flying a plane that was built/covered by some back street grandma, These people don't have Quality controls, all they care about is quantity. Peace...... Dennis |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: Jamie C ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated |
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ORIGINAL: dsr71 high priced yes overrated never,,perhaps spend less on them 100 cheap arfs and get a couple quality arfs not a bash just a wise idea How do you know the 100 I have were cheap ! |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: JackD ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated Ver true indeed and I just answered back:D |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: SCALECRAFT Just my opinion. The Chinese are just a competitor we can't compete with. They don't take our money, we give it to them by having the option to buy cheaper. Anybody notice that. I believe the internet has made shopping in general more competitive and really fast and simple. Word of mouth travels at the speed of light now and reaches millions of people. I believe the issue is here is ''complicated'' by the one who may not know what he wants exactly or is not focused due to lack of research. Or does not have the money, or is kinda cheap like me. I like options, no need to ''deluxe kit'' me and not give me the option to save by working on the model myself. Or finding hardware online. Anyway. Steve We do indeed choose to give the Chinese or others our money. It is not that I cant afford any of the Jets including BVM or Skygate, Airworld etc. It is more that I donot feel that there is value at that level. I also want to see a simple published pricing structure where you can see what is included and what is not. Offten you have to buy these having not seen them in real life so you need not to be confused by the websites etc Dennis |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: SCALECRAFT Just my opinion. The Chinese are just a competitor we can't compete with. They don't take our money, we give it to them by having the option to buy cheaper. Anybody notice that. I believe the internet has made shopping in general more competitive and really fast and simple. Word of mouth travels at the speed of light now and reaches millions of people. I believe the issue is here is ''complicated'' by the one who may not know what he wants exactly or is not focused due to lack of research. Or does not have the money, or is kinda cheap like me. I like options, no need to ''deluxe kit'' me and not give me the option to save by working on the model myself. Or finding hardware online. Anyway. Steve We do indeed choose to give the Chinese or others our money. It is not that I cant afford any of the Jets including BVM or Skygate, Airworld etc. It is more that I donot feel that there is value at that level. I also want to see a simple published pricing structure where you can see what is included and what is not. Offten you have to buy these having not seen them in real life so you need not to be confused by the websites etc Dennis Jack |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Value is a very personal thing. I have bought many ARFs only to resell them at a significant loss as they haven't lived up to my expectations. To me, this is not good value! On the other hand, my 'expensive' Bobcat has notched up about 40 flights with no maintenance required and when flying time is limited, the ability to go to the field and fly rather than tinker, is good value to me (plus it flys very well):D
As for jet pricing I would guess that, more than many other branches of the hobby, there are more options and opinions/brand loyalties than other areas. Many models have different gear options (even the scale ones) and many people have bits in their own stock that they want to use/transfer rather than use a kit supplied component. As an example, how many people have replaced kit supplied pipes as they want to use a different engine than that suggested? I have asked about a discount for leaving a pipe out of a kit before and have been told 'sorry but it's not an option, it is part of the kit'. I do agree that the prices should be clear, but don't think that prices should be all-inclusive. |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: Jamie C ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated C-ARF are certainly worth a look, there new Ultra flash looks very nice and certainly looks to fly very well. |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
When you asked me I thought I'd given you a pretty concise reply or did I miss something?
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: Jamie C ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: Jamie C ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated C-ARF are certainly worth a look, there new Ultra flash looks very nice and certainly looks to fly very well. |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
BVM. A fine product.
I have an original unused BVM F-16 (epoxy) with scale gear and an unused Yellow F-16C (polyester) with scale gear. Back when they were both available, if I were presented with the opportunity to by one or the other, (aside from ego on the BVM) I would have gone with the Yellow. Some of their parts can interchange. Very similar. For me, not enough difference in the models to warrant the price difference for what they were. In fact mechanically, the Yellow had (has) better elevator leverage and more robust and simpler scale gear. Carbon reinforced balsa formers in the BVM, I can make those. Not a big deal Again I have both, so what I don't like in one I can change. I still build my own stuff too. Plus I purchase both almost at the price of one BVM, with hardware. If its not a value in my opinion, I don't by it, I wait. Again, I believe that BVM is a fine product, but imagine how much one could offer the BVM product if it was produced in China under BVM guidelines. US labor laws, rents, taxes, all insurance, plus a profit. That"s a big part of your "you get what you pay for" myth in some cases. Its not a hobby for BVM, its a business. Just get something you can have fun with and don't spend beyond your means. Steve |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Maybe you can't afford a jet.....you know with the state your economy is in and all!!!!! and oh I would rather have pine forest's than concrete forest's.
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
What i was saying is compared to bvm most are cheaper in price and quality excluding a few well know others,,,,as you stated you have never had a bvm but have the means to get one,,,i was under the same impresion you were till i got one (bandit arf) it is one of the best planes i have ever flown and i have my share of the "cheaper" brands,, get yourself a arf bandit and you will have to shop a long time for another to equal it's durability and flight perfomance,,just my 2 pennys which aint worth that now days
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: dsr71 What i was saying is compared to bvm most are cheaper in price and quality excluding a few well know others,,,,as you stated you have never had a bvm but have the means to get one,,,i was under the same impresion you were till i got one (bandit arf) it is one of the best planes i have ever flown and i have my share of the ''cheaper'' brands,, get yourself a arf bandit and you will have to shop a long time for another to equal it's durability and flight perfomance,,just my 2 pennys which aint worth that now days You know I agree with you 100%. No other plane would've survived my deadstick landing on Saturday. Jack |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal?
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Jack,
How are you, my friend? How's your boy? I showed mine his pic in your avatar, and he remembered him. |
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hey shaun....
We are doing fine. Are you and your kid coming to BITW? if you are, we'll see you there Later jack |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: jeff sewell When you asked me I thought I'd given you a pretty concise reply or did I miss something? Jeff Regards Dennis |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: pshea2 Maybe you can't afford a jet.....you know with the state your economy is in and all!!!!! and oh I would rather have pine forest's than concrete forest's. For your information I can afford a Jet (Turbine powered) and have 11 in total and am currently building No 12. The Panther I was after would have been No 13 (Not a good omen perhaps) I also have over 100 other RC Planes ready to fly all built by me. Most are however ARTF's It is my experiences of buying these models and the 12 Jets and the frustration over the panther that lead me to start this thread. Good luck in the forest |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal? |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Got to go now the Inbetweeners in on E4.............. Oh and I was supposed to put a flap servo in my F86 tonight and all I have been doing is typing some might say Drival.................... Still Passes the time.............. Spose I will be scared of the blinking F86 once I have finished it anyway flap servo or no flap servo
Dennis |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
:D:D bigplumbs this is great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pour another scotch my man :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal? |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal? I hope you are not talking about the Habpo [>:] |
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