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Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
I have just been trying to find out the price for a PST F9F Panther and after about 1 hour I am fed up and have gone off the idea.
This lead me to ask why is the pricing of our Jets so confusing and complicated and hard to get at a final price. It is not like this in the other sides of this hobby. For example if you want to know the price of a hanger 9 P51 you just get one price with it all in a box. This is after all an RC Plane Just like a jet. Why is it not possible to do this with Jets. Global Jet Club and Fly Eagle come close but so many others do not. I am certain that this is looseing companies sales. Also why cant people make it clear what is included and what isn't. A simple list saying Included and not included would help. Oh and why is the undercart separate how stupid is that. What uses is a jet (Especially a scale one) without an undercart... You wouldn't buy a car without the offer of some wheels and suspension ! I was wondering what others feel about this |
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Because the full price will scare off customers :)
It sounds much better when the airframe only cost`s half of the complete price. |
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Jet pricing - Why so complicated? So when your kit turns up without the U'C they can say "didn't you read the price list?" :eek: Jason |
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I've been thinking of getting into jets as I've done what I want to do in fixed wing.
Specifically on *not* publishing prices online it is a strange strategy but in the UK there are very few jet vendors, and even those seem to have sole distribution for some manufactures, so I guess with there being limited competition these vendors do not need to go to the hastle of advertising/publishing the specific models or their prices. If I'm buying I want to see all the info, specs, options and prices online so I can make an informed decision in my own slow time. I don't want to have to ring around the vendors and call each time I've got a different question. Maybe the second (or is it third?) dip in the UK economy will compel them to publish the deals to lure us in. |
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ORIGINAL: SJN Because the full price will scare off customers :) It sounds much better when the airframe only cost`s half of the complete price. Quite |
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I wonder if any of the big UK Jet retailers would like to comment here !!! :D
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And you have also got to wonder why an ARTF Moulded Jet is offten over double an ARTF moulded warbird.....
And if one says cos you dont sell so many Jets........ well perhaps you would if they were the same price........ Turbines also way over Priced in my book well except the Kingteck K80 £1200 Dennis |
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i think you get prices for airframe only and not "compo" cause this gives option to customer to choose retracts from another manufactor?!
try a set of JET A1 or BEHOTEC and you wont like the compo option too! "you will be offered with your FORD car a set of tires but Ford is god for the cares they make not there tires!) as for cost IMHO..speed and loads that jet airframe are stressed are way more than gas or glow warbird and it takes way more know how to design one and build one. |
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HI
Bigplumbs contact Sunee direct at PST they are fantastic to deal with and will give you a complete price on the lot. If you go to there site all the prices are there and they deliver world wide. I have a Panther and a Reaction X. Best Regards Mav |
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I think it's more then one reason that you don't see the complete price. I think some smaller companys are not going to know if they have the complete kit or not at the time you are trying to buy it. I tryed my best to buy a small euro a few month's ago and he said I would need to pay a depost and wait because he don't have a comlpete kit and some parts would have to be made up or ordered for it. I told him when he had a complete kit ready to sell me and ship, let me know. I have not heard from him and it's been 6 month's and have got out of the notion by now. I'm not going to pay a price down and wait six month's or better like I'v read some has reported here on RCU. Also, giving them the bene, I would have to think some may already have some things like UC laying around and would not need what comes with a new kit. I think you could go on and on with this one. Just my 2 cents.
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Oh and why is the undercart separate how stupid is that. What uses is a jet (Especially a scale one) without an undercart... You wouldn't buy a car without the offer of some wheels and suspension ! I was wondering what others feel about this Hi, What if you don't want the undercarriage, or already have a set? What if you don't like the quality or reliability of the undercarriage offered by the company that makes the jet you're looking at? I'm just wondering because this is often the case over here. |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs I have just been trying to find out the price for a PST F9F Panther and after about 1 hour I am fed up and have gone off the idea. This lead me to ask why is the pricing of our Jets so confusing and complicated and hard to get at a final price. It is not like this in the other sides of thie hobby. For example if you want to know the price of a hanger 9 P51 you just get one price with it all in a box. This is after all an RC Plane Jest like a jet. Why is it not possible to do this with Jets. Global Jet Club and Fly Eagle come close but so many others do not. I am certain that this is looseing companies sales. Also why cant people make it clear what is included and what isn't. A simple list saying Included and not included would help. Oh and why is the undercart separate how stupid is that. What uses is a jet (Especially a scale one) without an undercart... You wouldn't buy a car without the offer of some wheels and suspension ! I was wondering what others feel about this |
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It sounds to me really like you just want something to complain about. Particularly with your comment about BVM. While you may feel they're overpriced and/or over-rated, the simple fact is, you were asking why the pricing had to be so complicated, somebody responded with a manufacture that makes it very easy and you had to make a snide remark.
I have never found it difficult to figure out the price, 5 minutes and a calculator and I'm done. The problem lies more in websites that are incomplete or difficult to navigate. I went to PST's site and I can find every price I need except for the Panther itself, that's not complicated pricing on the airplane, it's just a bad website. Skymaster has probably the worst website I've seen for RC jets, by the time it's done loading all the pictures I've gotten tired of waiting and move on to something else. However, a quick email with a price inquiry solves the problem You comment on why is under carriage not included? What other manufactures include retractable landing gear for an airplane outside of the cheap crappy ARF's where the retracts don't work any better than some of the other leaky chinese manufactures? Yellow Aircraft will sell you a combo, but the gear is priced separately, even the old Byron stuff was available as a combo, but was priced separately and Byron's warbirds were a great example of airplanes where you HAD to use their equipment if you didn't want to make big modifications, but it was still priced separately. As for the jets, I prefer it to be priced separately. If for example I wanted to build say a Fei Bao F5, I would want to order the airplane only from Fei Bao because I don't trust other chinese components. That would allow me to buy retracts from a trusted manufacture, a Tamjets pipe, fuel tanks from Jettech, etc etc etc. I hate some of these companies like Extreme jets for example or FEJ's that require you to buy the full package. I don't want their retracts, I don't want their pipes and I don't want to pay extra for crap that I'm going to never use. Of course, it's just my opinion, I can't say I've ever found it complicated to price a jet. |
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ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix It sounds to me really like you just want something to complain about. Particularly with your comment about BVM. While you may feel they're overpriced and/or over-rated, the simple fact is, you were asking why the pricing had to be so complicated, somebody responded with a manufacture that makes it very easy and you had to make a snide remark. I have never found it difficult to figure out the price, 5 minutes and a calculator and I'm done. The problem lies more in websites that are incomplete or difficult to navigate. I went to PST's site and I can find every price I need except for the Panther itself, that's not complicated pricing on the airplane, it's just a bad website. Skymaster has probably the worst website I've seen for RC jets, by the time it's done loading all the pictures I've gotten tired of waiting and move on to something else. However, a quick email with a price inquiry solves the problem You comment on why is under carriage not included? What other manufactures include retractable landing gear for an airplane outside of the cheap crappy ARF's where the retracts don't work any better than some of the other leaky chinese manufactures? Yellow Aircraft will sell you a combo, but the gear is priced separately, even the old Byron stuff was available as a combo, but was priced separately and Byron's warbirds were a great example of airplanes where you HAD to use their equipment if you didn't want to make big modifications, but it was still priced separately. As for the jets, I prefer it to be priced separately. If for example I wanted to build say a Fei Bao F5, I would want to order the airplane only from Fei Bao because I don't trust other chinese components. That would allow me to buy retracts from a trusted manufacture, a Tamjets pipe, fuel tanks from Jettech, etc etc etc. I hate some of these companies like Extreme jets for example or FEJ's that require you to buy the full package. I don't want their retracts, I don't want their pipes and I don't want to pay extra for crap that I'm going to never use. Of course, it's just my opinion, I can't say I've ever found it complicated to price a jet. You seem to have somthing against the Chinese beware they will soon take over the world and all Canada will be left with is more pine forests........... I have built many ARTF's (Over 100 in fact) and many have very good retracts. |
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated Jack |
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ORIGINAL: SJN Because the full price will scare off customers :) It sounds much better when the airframe only cost`s half of the complete price. On many of the scale ARF's, you really don't have choice in gear etc., and I bet over 90% of the customers that order planes like the higher level SM planes buys the whole package anyway. At least that is what I have seen on the 50+ planes that have come this way. Price the planes with all options (maybe except for ordance etc.) and give costomers the option of taking things away from the combo at fixed prices. Excample: SM 1/6 F-16: $5500. No gear: -$1700. No Scale cocpit: -$250 No "pro" version -$99 and so on... |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs ORIGINAL: LGM Graphix It sounds to me really like you just want something to complain about. Particularly with your comment about BVM. While you may feel they're overpriced and/or over-rated, the simple fact is, you were asking why the pricing had to be so complicated, somebody responded with a manufacture that makes it very easy and you had to make a snide remark. I have never found it difficult to figure out the price, 5 minutes and a calculator and I'm done. The problem lies more in websites that are incomplete or difficult to navigate. I went to PST's site and I can find every price I need except for the Panther itself, that's not complicated pricing on the airplane, it's just a bad website. Skymaster has probably the worst website I've seen for RC jets, by the time it's done loading all the pictures I've gotten tired of waiting and move on to something else. However, a quick email with a price inquiry solves the problem You comment on why is under carriage not included? What other manufactures include retractable landing gear for an airplane outside of the cheap crappy ARF's where the retracts don't work any better than some of the other leaky chinese manufactures? Yellow Aircraft will sell you a combo, but the gear is priced separately, even the old Byron stuff was available as a combo, but was priced separately and Byron's warbirds were a great example of airplanes where you HAD to use their equipment if you didn't want to make big modifications, but it was still priced separately. As for the jets, I prefer it to be priced separately. If for example I wanted to build say a Fei Bao F5, I would want to order the airplane only from Fei Bao because I don't trust other chinese components. That would allow me to buy retracts from a trusted manufacture, a Tamjets pipe, fuel tanks from Jettech, etc etc etc. I hate some of these companies like Extreme jets for example or FEJ's that require you to buy the full package. I don't want their retracts, I don't want their pipes and I don't want to pay extra for crap that I'm going to never use. Of course, it's just my opinion, I can't say I've ever found it complicated to price a jet. You seem to have somthing against the Chinese beware they will soon take over the world and all Canada will be left with is more pine forests........... I have built many ARTF's (Over 100 in fact) and many have very good retracts. Personally I don't feel comfortable flying a plane that was built/covered by some back street grandma, These people don't have Quality controls, all they care about is quantity. Peace...... |
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It's not complicated, either I can afford or...............I can't
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated |
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high priced yes overrated never,,perhaps spend less on them 100 cheap arfs and get a couple quality arfs not a bash just a wise idea
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Just my opinion.
The Chinese are just a competitor we can't compete with. They don't take our money, we give it to them by having the option to buy cheaper. Anybody notice that. I believe the internet has made shopping in general more competitive and really fast and simple. Word of mouth travels at the speed of light now and reaches millions of people. I believe the issue is here is "complicated" by the one who may not know what he wants exactly or is not focused due to lack of research. Or does not have the money, or is kinda cheap like me. I like options, no need to "deluxe kit" me and not give me the option to save by working on the model myself. Or finding hardware online. Anyway. Steve |
RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs Overpriced and over rated |
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