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This is not true. The Horten Ho229 flew with twin turbines towards the end of the War without any computer aids. Our models also fly well without advanced computer technology. The plane if designed properly is inherently stable. The Ho229 apparently flew against a Me 262 and was able to out manouver it. It is difficult to understand why the only Ho229 in existence is still in a poor state in the Smithsonian Garber facility. Such an important plane as this should have been restored long ago and put on display. It has taken a very long time to make a modern version of it.

John

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I've been following this story closely and something obvious sticks out...
Why would Iran ever admit to shooting down, hijacking, or otherwise claiming the craft?

Seems to me, if I had the ability and intel to defeat an advanced technological enemy asset, I surely wouldn't let the enemy know I had the ability.

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DustBen you make a good point.

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I guess for bragging rights, early this year the US brag about (Stuxnet virus) to sabotage Iran nuclear plans. Its call cyber warfare guys.

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Iran doesn't have the ability to hijack the software on that aircraft. I'm pretty sure about that. The plane did have a "return to base" program that failled. So the software control system failure would have been catestrophic. This doesn't mean the Flight surface controls also failed. For all we know they may have been in a neutral flight condition.

The reason the plane didnt crash is because its pretty flight stable. Loss of control doesn't mean crash. Its much like a run away RC plane that lands even though its out of radio range.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion.

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Iran still has a fleet of aging F-14 Tomcats. If they admit and brag about having a very high-tech piece of technology from the US, they can use this as collateral to attempt a negotiation for parts for their Tomcat fleet they can no longer obtain.. Also, who's to say they aren't just "saying" they can do it and actually can not and were just lucky enough to find this thing sitting in the middle of where-ever

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Boy you have a lot to learn about US secret policy. Almost any secret we have is availablefor the asking - you just have to know who and how to ask. However, there is also so much misinformation available that it obscures what is real - i.e. the Trojan Horses that someone mentioned.

But this is not a Trojan Horse, nor is it real. It is a sad attempt from a ludicrous government to embarrass the US. And to the comment about Bary Powers andthe U2 there is a world of difference between the 1960's and today and between Russia and the Middle East. You would not believe the number of downed aircraft we, or our allies, have lost over "unfriendly territory" that we have still obliterated beyond recognition. Yes we did not do a great job on that helicopter but we got most of it, including the avionics package.

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And this, gentlemen, is why these nonsense stories keep going on. People like this guy actually believe them.

To basimpson - THE US NEVER BRAGGED ABOUT THE STUXNET VIRUS! And it was never tracked to the US.

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The Iranians want the world to think they have the drone,
the US want's the world to think they haven't.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

The two really important questions?

The truth is out there, where's Scully & Mulder when you need them?

Is Scully (Gillian Anderson) still a hottie?


John.

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Yea she is [8D]

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You would think the US government could get all the information they needed with Satellites. The only useful thing I see for a drone is when they throw some guns and bombs on it and use it for kicking some *****. Use satellites for spying and drones for fighting.

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</div><div>Simple. Lipos. :)  They did have self-destruct technology for the onboard data-gathering systems, and there's no reports that the system didn't work.</div><div>
</div><div>Looks too nice to be real, and there's a good chance it's fake: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-rq-...1#.TuKJYLLNnVU</div><div>
</div><div>There are some very detailed articles about Stuxnet on the web. By all indications, it was a very detailed US cyberop. </div>

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Yeah you are right, because Israel didnt BRAG either [8D]

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Yeah, Oblama did it!! Couldn't even get the story straight afterwards. You and the president are both spineless pos's.

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I build new plane for flying You like

RCKen

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Tasking a satellite for an overfly is not a rapid solution. The military needs(has) UAVs like this for relatively rapid intel. There is a VERY good reason to have them.

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Amen! Right you are. Reading many of the posts I cannot help but remember what a boss used to say "The stupidity on this one is strong..." But, when people are choking on their own bile (due to heir blind hatred) or comment on something they know nothing, this it is to be expected. But, do not let a drop of reality upset your sea of fantasy:-)


Gerry

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I guess one reason is to lose them and give them to IRAN.

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Problem with satellites is that they are predictable.

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UAVs for military are designed to land when signal is lost so its pretty simple why its intact

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There are several problems with using satellites - two of them being that most intelligence outfits know when they are scheduled to be overhead and can hide things from them, and it can take time to get an image of an area, as others have said. The other problems are that satellite images do not have the resolution of cameras on drones and aircraft that are *much* closer to the ground, and satellites are so high that their images have no perspective - i.e., they are "flat" and you can not see much, if anything, in the 3D dimension and you can't see under things.

Bob

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Just another image of america's bankruptcy. The credit cards are maxed, can't even cover the interest, had to get another card to cover the interest, and nobody's concerned. If it's real it's only a few $$$ of development money down the tubes, a good excuse to borrow more money to develop new weapons of mass financial rape of the people.

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How exactly did this thread turn into some ridiculous political debate?

There are some rather odd things associated with the pictures out of Iran on this. The intake shape looks wrong, the grated covering over the intake doesn't appear in any other pictures of the RQ-170, and the overall shape of the aircraft looks like something almost hand-shaped as opposed to molded composites. Additionally, all of the pictures I've seen of the RQ-170 show it in a low-viz gray color, not this yellowish cream.

I'm not saying 'FAKE' but a lot of aspects of this look rather.. odd.

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Here's my uninformed guess: The airframe and internals are not what is to worry about, but the software. I suspect that the software has a self-erase feature if control is lost. So, assuming the drone is real, it is only a fancy mockup now without the software. The electronics don't have to be anything out of the ordinary, look what a cell phone can do these days, including the cameras, gps, etc... or what PCs can do. If I were designing these, I would not use anything but ruggedized PC hardware in case of loss of control occurs like this case or being shot down. Just my 2 cents.

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Huh?