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EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:10 AM

Redesign/build FEJ
 
Starting a thread for redesigning and rebuilding FEJ F-14 1/7 F-18 1/7 F-16 1/7. This is for everyone who has FEJ models and wants to have them in the air flying safe and fun. Let's keep it to constructive constructing posts only :)

Shaun Evans 05-24-2013 10:11 AM

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Great idea.

DiscoWings 05-24-2013 10:14 AM

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Add F-16 1/6th scale to the list.

EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:17 AM

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stabs. The old F-18F ( no HC) has been flown with no problems and has solid plywood bulkheads for the bolts so its MAC location should be ok. Does anyone have that calculation?


EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: DiscoWings

Add F-16 1/6th scale to the list.
Please do the more the better .. The latest F-18F 1/6 that had the flutter we can learn a lot from also.

dubd 05-24-2013 10:25 AM

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Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with

EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:31 AM

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I feel you on that one :(

EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:34 AM

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So more control throw from this to something like this

tamjets 05-24-2013 10:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: dubd

Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with
Dantley...you can sit and observation fill things that are usefull to your next jets.

tamjets 05-24-2013 10:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: EDFJim

So more control throw from this to something like this
There you go. Moving the linkage closer to the center.

ravill 05-24-2013 10:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: dubd

Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with
You wanna buy mine? :D

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/o.../photo-7-1.jpg

EDFJim 05-24-2013 10:47 AM

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On theF-18F main gear I am adding strength by turning it into an I beam .

mario tavarez14 05-24-2013 10:50 AM

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wao i like that idea lets do it guys

Area51.5 05-24-2013 11:02 AM

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What is wrong with the 1/6 f-16?

EDFJim 05-24-2013 11:05 AM

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Cannot move the linkages in toward the servo anymore because of clearances with the pipes so I can make an arm extension here.

dubd 05-24-2013 11:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamjets



ORIGINAL: dubd

Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with
Dantley...you can sit and observation fill things that are usefull to your next jets.
My next jet will not be FEJ. None of the other dozens of other jets I've owned have ever failed.

tamjets 05-24-2013 11:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: dubd



ORIGINAL: tamjets



ORIGINAL: dubd

Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with
Dantley...you can sit and observation fill things that are usefull to your next jets.
My next jet will not be FEJ. None of the other dozens of other jets I've owned have ever failed.
Learn few things to aplly your next jets. That what I mean.
Beaten on the dead horse learn nothing from it. [:@]

dubd 05-24-2013 11:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamjets


ORIGINAL: dubd



ORIGINAL: tamjets



ORIGINAL: dubd

Great idea... I wish I had a plane I could participate with
Dantley...you can sit and observation fill things that are usefull to your next jets.
My next jet will not be FEJ. None of the other dozens of other jets I've owned have ever failed.
Learn few things to aplly your next jets. That what I mean.
Beaten on the dead horse learn nothing from it. [:@]
Okay, I will sit back and observe Uncle Tam! :)

Zagzoo 05-24-2013 11:54 AM

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The F15 1/7.. known issues? Left out?

Area51.5 05-24-2013 12:37 PM

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Jim is your f-18 the 1/6 or the 1/7?

EDFJim 05-24-2013 12:38 PM

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F-18 is 1/7th

TimD. 05-24-2013 12:38 PM

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Since this has been brought to attention, I have a 1/8th F-16 I am trying to get finished up. Does anyone have a C.G. location or any mods that it may need ?

As far as I can tell, only the gear are having issues due to undersized air rams.

Tim

Area51.5 05-24-2013 12:39 PM

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Thanks, are you going to have anything for my jets?

drdoom 05-24-2013 12:49 PM

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I Have the 1/7th F-16 HC. Should I do something to strengthen the stab itself?

David Searles 05-24-2013 12:56 PM

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Jim,

This is from Oli's excellent article published in the April/May issue of RCJI. It WORKS!

David S

FenderBean 05-24-2013 01:12 PM

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Doom I had to 1/6 version, had honeycomb stabs and rudder. I never had flutter with either I did full speed flight with it as well. The only mod I did to my f16 was convert my gear to electric and add small block to door cylinder which was on honeycomb. I had the old style pull pull with ply bulkheads.

ORIGINAL: drdoom

I Have the 1/7th F-16 HC. Should I do something to strengthen the stab itself?

drdoom 05-24-2013 01:30 PM

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Thats good to know. I still might back fill with Hysol. or build my own set of stabs.

dubd 05-24-2013 02:28 PM

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To try and be constructive here, not all FEJ planes are created equal. The older fiberglass planes might have more success. The tried and true planes that are also made by other manufacturers may also have more success. The 1/6 F-16 and 1/4 Hawk come to mind. Guys seem to have success with them... at least the fiberglass versions.

It's the new planes designed by FEJ that seem problematic (F-14, large F-18) and if you guys can figure out a solution to make them airworthy then maybe FEJ will incorporate that feedback.

DAN AVILLA 05-24-2013 03:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: EDFJim

On theF-18F main gear I am adding strength by turning it into an I beam .
Jim the I beam system is great. The bulkheads are the week point now. I would sandwich new bulkheads beside the orginals. On the inside to pick up the load from the I beams if you have room. Dan Avilla
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TimD. 05-24-2013 03:17 PM

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Just a thought here , but has anyone tried to drill a small hole into the stabs and fill with a measurement of urethane expanding foam ? It would NOT add a lot of weight and add torsion strength to the stabs.

Tim

tamjets 05-24-2013 03:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: TimD.

Just a thought here , but has anyone tried to drill a small hole into the stabs and fill with a measurement of urethane expanding foam ? It would NOT add a lot of weight and add torsion strength to the stabs.

Tim
Tim,
You dont' want to do that.
Expand foam will destroy the stabs.

TimD. 05-24-2013 05:38 PM

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Tam,
You dont think injection when still in molds would work either?

I had spine surgery this morning and on some of the GOOD stuff right now. I am just rambling, usually I do not post. I just read everyones topics and replies to learn from.

Glad to see ya back in the Hobby regularly. Maybe we need make good kits for everyone :,)

Tim

EDFJim 05-24-2013 09:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Searles

Jim,

This is from Oli's excellent article published in the April/May issue of RCJI. It WORKS!

David S
Looks great thanks for posting

tamjets 05-24-2013 09:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: TimD.

Tam,
You dont think injection when still in molds would work either?

I had spine surgery this morning and on some of the GOOD stuff right now. I am just rambling, usually I do not post. I just read everyones topics and replies to learn from.

Glad to see ya back in the Hobby regularly. Maybe we need make good kits for everyone :,)

Tim

Tim
I'm done with kits. Way too much work for little money and all this on rcu lately is the last things anyone need.. I try to chime in here and there to share some my experience.
I do more fishing lately. Flying once awhile with groups guy at BW.

dbsonic 05-24-2013 09:49 PM

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Agree with Tam on that. The typical expanding foam actually generates a fair bit of pressure and will bulge out the skins.(I tried to make a plug once with this stuff and it wrecked everything) But a good idea though if we could find some that is a bit on the lighter side.

olnico 05-25-2013 12:06 AM

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Yep, 3 articles of 3 pages with full build and upgrade details, all the pictures and test flights including Tam's pipe upgrade.
This jet now is 3 years old and has nearly 300 flights on the clock. It does very well with the B300F on board.

You guys also have a full detail of these mods in the F-18F thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_77..._1/key_/tm.htm

I have also detailed the full theoretical analysis of the stabilator on this plane in the flight controls article series.
I will publish a resume of this in the stabilizer blog part 2.

tamjets 05-25-2013 03:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: olnico

Yep, 3 articles of 3 pages with full build and upgrade details, all the pictures and test flights including Tam's pipe upgrade.
This jet now is 3 years old and has nearly 300 flights on the clock. It does very well with the B300F on board.

You guys also have a full detail of these mods in the F-18F thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_77..._1/key_/tm.htm

I have also detailed the full theoretical analysis of the stabilator on this plane in the flight controls article series.
I will publish a resume of this in the stabilizer blog part 2.
The pipe last over 300 flights. That another great feedback for me. I believe one customer had like over 500 flights.
The airframe wore out before the pipe.


olnico 05-25-2013 03:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamjets



ORIGINAL: olnico

Yep, 3 articles of 3 pages with full build and upgrade details, all the pictures and test flights including Tam's pipe upgrade.
This jet now is 3 years old and has nearly 300 flights on the clock. It does very well with the B300F on board.

You guys also have a full detail of these mods in the F-18F thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_77..._1/key_/tm.htm

I have also detailed the full theoretical analysis of the stabilator on this plane in the flight controls article series.
I will publish a resume of this in the stabilizer blog part 2.
The pipe last over 300 flights. That another great feedback for me. I believe one customer had like over 500 flights.
The airframe wore out before the pipe.


Actually Tam, I had 150 flights with your P-200 pipe and 150 flights with your B300F pipe. Both look like brand new but I am only using the B300F pipe now for obvious reasons...

tamjets 05-25-2013 03:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: olnico



ORIGINAL: tamjets



ORIGINAL: olnico

Yep, 3 articles of 3 pages with full build and upgrade details, all the pictures and test flights including Tam's pipe upgrade.
This jet now is 3 years old and has nearly 300 flights on the clock. It does very well with the B300F on board.

You guys also have a full detail of these mods in the F-18F thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_77..._1/key_/tm.htm

I have also detailed the full theoretical analysis of the stabilator on this plane in the flight controls article series.
I will publish a resume of this in the stabilizer blog part 2.
The pipe last over 300 flights. That another great feedback for me. I believe one customer had like over 500 flights.
The airframe wore out before the pipe.


Actually Tam, I had 150 flights with your P-200 pipe and 150 flights with your B300F pipe. Both look like brand new but I am only using the B300F pipe now for obvious reasons...

Oh yeah. I remember making bigger pipe for b300f.

john josey 05-25-2013 04:41 AM

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Just wondering why you would use a straight servo arm with the off-set on one side only to put the one pushrod at 90deg to the centre of the servo output. I've always used a servo disc and off-set both balls to the rear meaning both rods are at 90deg to the output spline at neutral and are of equall lenth.</p>

I know there will be good reason for the straight arm against the symmetrical set-up the round disc allows ?</p>

Thanks in advance</p>

john</p>


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