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Dblex 01-08-2016 11:48 AM

Thanks all of you!

Parts ordered!

stevekott 01-08-2016 04:47 PM

Here's what cavitation looks like. This is on a 200 size turbine with the pump running at full power. It is amazing how much flow is required to feed a thirsty turbine.

I had this set up with felt clunks in the saddle tank which added a lot to the flow resistance. I did have a flame out and dead stick landing which led to this test.

Got rid of the felt clunks and went to one of the new Intairco UAT's. Using the 6mm PU tubing. All problems solved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad4CZ86k5gA

junkjet 01-08-2016 06:18 PM

Is that 6mm tubing in the main tanks or in the air trap.

jofunk 01-08-2016 08:42 PM

I have a couple of mercury's and a K 170. I never plumbed a fuel system with a UAT. I use 1/8" ID Viton on the supply to the pump and keep it as short as possible. The pumps push better than they suck. Has anyone ever done a test to see how much air in the line it takes to flame out an engine?

Dave Wilshere 01-09-2016 02:09 AM

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[QUOTE=stevekott;12158368]Here's what cavitation looks like. This is on a 200 size turbine with the pump running at full power. It is amazing how much flow is required to feed a thirsty turbine.

I had this set up with felt clunks in the saddle tank which added a lot to the flow resistance. I did have a flame out and dead stick landing which led to this test.

Got rid of the felt clunks and went to one of the new Intairco UAT's. Using the 6mm PU tubing. All problems solved.

There is nothing wrong with felt clunks...I use nothing else all the way through P-200RX's.
BUT, the std type supplied by many companies including CARF has a very small hole. (it can be drilled out) We had these inners made with 3.2 and 4.8mm id supplies and lots of perforations.
Pump voltage figures are very low and all the fuel gets used in all tank shapes.

stock felt on left and our two.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2140440

FalconWings 01-09-2016 09:26 AM


Where can I get those fittings? They have been backordered for 3 months now at Chief and I can't fly my JSF waiting on them. I specifically need the 1" bonded sleeve with the screw on fuel feed nipple/oring.

Thanks,
David

stevekott 01-09-2016 09:39 AM

Well noted Dave, the felt clunks I used were EXACTLY the one on the left. They were the ones provided by Skymaster.

Dave Wilshere 01-09-2016 11:16 AM

Steve

For some reason Tillotson reduced the hole size sometime ago, great in petrol models and 20-35N turbines, not much good on bigger. Some have a 2.2mm hole!

Dave

justturbines 01-09-2016 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12158649)
Where can I get those fittings? They have been backordered for 3 months now at Chief and I can't fly my JSF waiting on them. I specifically need the 1" bonded sleeve with the screw on fuel feed nipple/oring.

Thanks,
David

All the fitting We make are Stocked by ZedJet and Nexus models in the Uk

Cheers

Pete

olnico 01-09-2016 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12158649)
Where can I get those fittings? They have been backordered for 3 months now at Chief and I can't fly my JSF waiting on them. I specifically need the 1" bonded sleeve with the screw on fuel feed nipple/oring.

Thanks,
David

I am coming up with 3/16" and 1/4" fittings.
Should be available within 5 days.

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collections/fuel-hardware

olnico 01-10-2016 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by FenderBean (Post 12158152)
it may just be me but I feel the biggest mistake people make is not using large enough fittings on the Vent side of the system. The fuel pressure from pulling fuel through system really grows when you restrict how much air you can pull into the tank. If the fuel leaving the tank is overcoming the the ability to pull air in things start to go bad.

Well, I think that you will like my new design:

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collect...vent-fitting-1

It is accepting 1/4" tygon tubes directly!
The tubes are available in our fuel hardware section as well:

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collect...ardware?page=1

I believe that I have the most comprehensive and best priced selection of High Flow and Ultra High Flow accessories on the market. This is because all of this is in-house and custom designed and CNC produced!
I needed a complete range of professional fuel system hardware for our UAV operations. Since I could not find what I wanted on the market, I decided to make it myself!
Thus the purchase of the Siemens Sinumerik CNC lathe and CNC milling centers...

FalconWings 01-10-2016 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12158797)
I am coming up with 3/16" and 1/4" fittings.
Should be available within 5 days.

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collections/fuel-hardware

Awesome Oli, I'll keep an eye out for them. Thanks!

FenderBean 01-10-2016 10:36 AM

Oli thats perfect, i bought a set of bvms hi-flow vents and for some reason they are smaller than the ID of all the other Hi-flow items. I i know air resistance is less than fluid but because of this I used two vents on my P200 setup which required me to add two vent fittings on the tank. I would rather only run one vent since its easier for taxi tank usage and just less things to add to the fuel system.

olnico 01-10-2016 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by FenderBean (Post 12159111)
Oli thats perfect, i bought a set of bvms hi-flow vents and for some reason they are smaller than the ID of all the other Hi-flow items. I i know air resistance is less than fluid but because of this I used two vents on my P200 setup which required me to add two vent fittings on the tank. I would rather only run one vent since its easier for taxi tank usage and just less things to add to the fuel system.

You got it!

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/015...94716778259550

This one is a flush type, 1/4" ID brass vent.

If you want to plug a taxi tank, you'll have the option to use the bulkhead fitting in 1/4" ID.
I am also working on a simple and very light o'ring based quick disconnect system.

FalconWings 01-15-2016 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12158797)
I am coming up with 3/16" and 1/4" fittings.
Should be available within 5 days.

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collections/fuel-hardware

Oli, are they available yet?

olnico 01-15-2016 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12162264)
Oli, are they available yet?

Yes, all in stock.

FalconWings 01-15-2016 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by olnico (Post 12162336)
Yes, all in stock.

Oli the one Im talking about is the one with the fitting that threads into the bonded flange, I dont see it in your catalogue

Thanks

justturbines 01-15-2016 04:25 PM

that is because we make it and it is sold by Zedjet.com and nexus model in the UK

Our company name is PDL-Services Ltd in the uk all the pictures of the fitting on page one are made by us with our own Cnc machines in the uk and everything is in stock

Cheers

Pete

olnico 01-16-2016 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12162474)
Oli the one Im talking about is the one with the fitting that threads into the bonded flange, I dont see it in your catalogue

Thanks

This one?

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collect...hread-fittings

olnico 01-16-2016 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12162474)
Oli the one Im talking about is the one with the fitting that threads into the bonded flange, I dont see it in your catalogue

Thanks

Or this one?

http://www.ultimate-jets.net/collect...elbow-fittings

FalconWings 01-16-2016 11:35 AM

I think I was misunderstood. What I need is one of those 1" metal flanges that you bond to the tank, similar to the BVM ones, where you screw the fuel pick up fitting with an o-ring.
You have something similar but it uses a rubber stopper with pass through tubing for vent and fuel feed.

Ill post a pic when I get home.

olnico 01-16-2016 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12162819)
I think I was misunderstood. What I need is one of those 1" metal flanges that you bond to the tank, similar to the BVM ones, where you screw the fuel pick up fitting with an o-ring.
You have something similar but it uses a rubber stopper with pass through tubing for vent and fuel feed.

Ill post a pic when I get home.

I don't have this in my designs yet. I could make one, but why would you chose this over a rubber stopper type?

FalconWings 01-16-2016 12:14 PM

I guess I got used to BVMs design, where you have a short barbed fitting on both sides, vs having a slightly longer stright pass-through tube for tygon to attach too. But there is no real practical benefit.
In my case, I already have on on my RHS tank so I'd like to match the LHS. But I should be able to use yours if I have to. Its a great design, no doubt about it.

If I cant get the one on backorder by the end of month, I'll deffinetly order yours.

olnico 01-16-2016 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by FalconWings (Post 12162832)
I guess I got used to BVMs design, where you have a short barbed fitting on both sides, vs having a slightly longer stright pass-through tube for tygon to attach too. But there is no real practical benefit.
In my case, I already have on on my RHS tank so I'd like to match the LHS. But I should be able to use yours if I have to. Its a great design, no doubt about it.

If I cant get the one on backorder by the end of month, I'll deffinetly order yours.

If you can't get it, I can also machine one for you. I'd need the dimensions and thread definition.

FalconWings 01-17-2016 09:01 AM

Hey thanks Oliver!


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