Concorde
 

Does anybody have info or more pictures of the Concorde which was in RCJI #56, Oct/Nov 2002? The in flight (landing?) shot is gorgeous. Span, length, engines, weight, area, lots of pictures!

The plane was shown at Mallorca Jets 2002 and is listed as owned by Peter Michel.

I wonder how it would fly? My guess is slow in pitch and therefore turn rate but quick in roll.

Stephen

Concorde
 

Flight's never gonna happen (in my opinion). Its a real nice static display though!

RN

Concorde
 

Eletrick,

Stephan is not refering to the AMT USA hangar queen but the Concord that flew in Mallorca, Spain. I believe that the jet flown in Mallorca was a twin turbine version. Stephan, you're right---that in-flight shot was stunning!!! Could have been the real thing. The article said that the nose drooped too. A landing shot at high alpha with the nose drooped would be toooooo cool....

Kevin

Concorde
 

Kevin,

I saw a picture of that same airplane (I think) with the nose pitched up and drooping down at the saem time....not exactly high alpha but it was pretty cool.

DR

Concorde Video
 

Do a Search, I posted a Video of the Concorde Landing here in the jet section.

Concorde
 

The AMT Concorde is unfortunately, probably going to have to be shipped to Europe somewhere so it can fly. The AMA wont let it go here. Jim certainly has the $$ to get it done and RTF if he hasn't already.

Concorde
 

How would that be more cost effective than just getting an insurance policy for a day or so and doing it at a non-AMA field here in the states? A policy like that won't be as expensive as shipping a plane that size to Europe. AMA doesn't have the final say, except for insurance.

Or, just go to a dry lake out west where nobody cares.

Droop Nose
 

I think what you saw was the nose is composed of two parts. There is a glass section over the windscreen which retracts below the line of sight whenever the nose is drooped. The nose has three positions. Up, mild droop (for taxi, take off and just before touch down) and extreme droop for approach.

I saw the AMT Concorde recently and was told they are waiting thrust reversers for the remaining two engines. However, it has been a long wait and obviously they have been beaten to the punch as it were. Even the small shot in RCJI shows more detail then the AMT one up close.

Concorde
 

I wish that Jim would eventually fly the AMT Concorde. I know that he's probably tired of wiping my drool off of it at every jet rally. The last time that I saw it, the AMT Concorde was being fitted with thrust reversers. The craftsmanship on them is unbelievable. Sorry about the hanger queen remark...just getting tired of not seeing it fly.

Kevin

Concorde
 

Does it need thrust reverser's to fly? Don't see why it couldn't be flown at any time. But, thats their decision! Nice model...

Concorde
 

For add info to the Concorde of Peter Michel, just visit
his homepage http://www.michel-concorde.com

Interesting Information to the construction and flying this
large model with two turbines. Furhter, you see more pics
and news of other projects, as Peter is real airliner - freak.

Swiss-Jet

Concorde
 

the concorde described is on peters homepage is concorde number one.
the one flown at mallorca this year is much more detailed.
Niels

Concorde
 

look at Eddie's DC-10's, they have flown after hours at many events. And Eddies not the only one, who's done this kinda thing.
Like I said its my opinion, but I think the ama thing is a cop out.
Dry lake, or after hours at one of the events.

I don't think that queen is ever gonna be fueled! Someone else told me the same kinda story on the RC Jet list a few years ago, fly it and I'll believe it!

Richard Newman

Concorde
 

Because, Jim wants Terry Nitch to fly it, and the AMA has threatened to permanently revoke Terry's AMA license if he flies it. Now how can Terry win the Top Gun again next year without an AMA license?

The difference is Eddie Weeks DC-10 was/is "reported" to be under 55 lbs. and "reportedly" comforms to the .9 to 1 "DRY" Thrust to Weight ratios. Jim's Concorde is like a 200 pound airplane with almost 200 lbs of thrust. I say GREAT, cool let it fly at Darby Dan on a regular basis, but I'm not the AMA.
This is one of the MANY reasons I'm reluctant to renew my AMA membership each year.

Remember the AMA has eyes and ears EVERYWHERE, and even if flown on a dry lake bed, they would find out about it. As far as I've been told the AMA even hears Terry flew it, his license AND turbine waiver are gone.....permanently.

Concorde
 

Baloney. When that goofy rumor was started some years ago, I called Dave Brown direct, and he said it was complete nonsense. Total BS.
As a matter of fact, he said HE wanted to see it fly. It just would not be AMA insured.
Why don't you ask Jim Weigle or Terry Nitsch, too?

Concorde
 

Cool we agree on something. What I do in my back yard is no sob's concern. And I mean NO ONES!! Period :)

Concorde
 

This is the biggest bunch of BS I ever heard!!!! Helps to think before shoving foot in mouth!

Concorde
 

Even IF it was true, how could the ama pull Terry's cards for flying it in a private area? It would have nothing to do with them.
Oh well. I hope to see it fly before I die.

Dave Browns Response
 

I posed the following email to Dave Brown, and his response is below the actual letter.

Mr. Brown:
>
> As a third generation AMA member, I recently read some very disturbing
> information regarding the power that AMA has over members. I am sure you
> are aware of the large, heavy, and powerful Concorde model that the owner
of
> AMT has constructed. This plane is far too heavy for flight at an AMA
> field, even with a special waiver in my opinion. My complaint comes from
> the rumor that I heard regarding the pilot of choice, Terry Nitch. Was he
> told/threatened not to fly this plane ANYWHERE for fear of the AMA
revoking
> is turbine waiver and his AMA membership.
> Is this true? If this is indeed the facts, how can the AMA think that is
> has the power to control what an individual does away from AMA fields on
his
> own time? Please clarify or defend this mentality, as this has me greatly
> concerned about the AMA's influence over its members.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Haywood AMA#189187

RESPONSE FROM DAVE BROWN:

As is typical, your information is way oversimplified.

First, Terry, as a member of the Safety committee/Turbine advisory
committee, has a different waiver than the average joe, which allows him to
fly turbine engines, during the test phase, before the engines are
"certified". This waiver allows him to be covered by our insurance, while
flying the test programs, in spite of the fact that the turbines are not on
the approved list.

The problem with him flying a model, which violates the safety code, such as
the Concorde, you mention, is that, this special waiver COULD be used as a
way to force AMA to cover the liability of any such flights he would be
making.

The only way to ensure this does not occur is to, either not have him fly
the out of limits model, OR, revoke that waiver.

If AMA doesn't seek to protect itself from such legal loopholes, it will
become impossible for it to provide insurance to it members, for "normal"
aeromodeling. I don't think you want that, .....Do you?

Another way of putting it is to ask what you would think if you had to stop
flying R/C, as a result of such a flight wiping out your insurance, and
nothing else was available?

Another thing to think about, .....What do you think the chances are of the
sport of R/C surviving, (politically), if a person who is on the
Safety/Turbine Advisory Committee of the national organization, creates a
catastrophic accident, while flying a model which violates the very safety
stds of that association? I'd say you would be as likely to re-institute
the legality of cock fighting!

Dave Brown

Concorde
 

I thought it was implied (or maybe stated) in the AMA insurance stuff, that if an AMA member flies a model at a non-AMA designated field, he is not covered by AMA insurance. Therefore, there should not be any issues with Terry (or anyone else) flying the model (large Concorde, or anything else) at a remote location. If the AMA thought that somehow a loophole could rear it's head, a simple signed statement from the pilot, holding the AMA free of any claims in case of an incident should be enough.

Of course, having the model fly at an airshow, or modelling event, would be a different story. I don't see why you'd have to pack it up and go to Europe to fly it, though!

That does not sound like baloney to me
 

i think what BVM said is pretty much exactly what Dave Brown just described in his response. The AMA is in fact limiting what Terry may do in his "free time". To me if they wanted to fly this thing, and they go out to a dry lake bed somewhere and light it off, it is no one's business.

retraction?
 

Sounds to me like the longstanding "rumor" was true.


Terry Nitsche cannot fly the Concord or loose his AMA special waiver....

This has been going around since Florida jets 2000 I think.

Concorde
 

Certainly NOT the same answer I got from DB when I asked him last year.

Concorde
 

Perhaps not but given that Terry may be something more then a regular member they would ask for a little slack with this kind of thing. (sort of implided) That said it also means as we all knew that a regular member could fly anything they want to in their own non AMA controled space, be that a back yard or a dry lake bed. :)

Concorde
 

Ugh. I dunno and I don't really care. If Jim Weigle wants to fly his Concorde, AMA can't stop him. I hope he does fly it, I wish him luck.
When I heard this rumor well over a year ago, I talked to DB and he said it was not true.
I don't know about the post above, or the person who posted it, but it sounds awfully weird to me. Didn't a guy run around here posing as Dave Brown just a few weeks ago? This could be a troll. I don't know, and I don't care.
I have too much building to do this week to argue on the internet. I'm unsubscribing from this thread and you-all can have at it all you want!

Concorde
 

"I thought it was implied (or maybe stated) in the AMA insurance stuff, that if an AMA member flies a model at a non-AMA designated field, he is not covered by AMA insurance....."

Im fairly sure that you are covered by the AMA wherever you decide to fly. The problem is that the owner of the flying site is not covered.

Example. The property my club flies from is owned by the city and the city is covered through our club charter with the AMA. If the club were to let the charter lapse the city would shut us down until the charter was renewed and therefore providing the city with some level of insurance. Your/My club may also add additional flying sites to the charter for an additional fee per year.

So flying out in the middle of no where with nothing or no one to harm in site, I say go for it. Flying off someone's private property I say be extremely carefull as they can be liable for damages also.

Cheers.
James

Concorde
 

F..... dat..

I will fly it... I can start all 4 of those masterblasters in 2-3 min
and hold on..


Eddie Weeks

flying the concorde
 

Would be no problem to fly it at a local airport with permission or head out west with it to a dry lake bed. The jet will need lots of room anyway and the trip would be worth the investment. Also they can pick up Eddie on the way heading west!!!

Vin...

Concorde
 

trailer queen:rolleyes:

Concorde
 

Had someone on the jets list tear me up about it (cause I said the same thing///////// its never going to see the air, its a really nice prop),


And if its not a trailer queen/ prop, then hey, prove me wrong hand Eddie the controls, and lets fly!

Richard Newman

Concorde
 

I guess I am in big trouble with the AMA. I understand that if I want to fly at an AMA sanctioned event or flying field I MUST have a waiver to do so. I have been flying turbines for several years now at non-AMA locations. When I find the time to get signed off by the AMA to fly my aircraft at my local field, I will do so. (I am actually looking forward to it!) In the mean time I continue to fly my jets at several "legal" locations. The BLM says I can fly my turbine aircraft at Silurian Dry Lake just south of Las Vegas; I have had many flights there along with several other un-waivered turbine pilots. I also fly at a local private airport in the Northern Virginia area, with permission from the owner. I don't bring this up to start a rebellion; I think the AMA turbine waiver process is the way to go to operate a turbine safely. I am not doing anything illegal by flying my turbine powered aircraft!

Brian Shipp

Concorde
 

Absolutly not Brian, but your also limited on where you can fly.... Have you purchased any additional insurance coverage in case something does happen? Just curious....

Concorde
 

I built a Concorde 18 yrs ago.When it was time to test fly it I check on the AMA insurance.I found out that it is a secondary insurance.Your home owners insurance is in affect if you should have a accident.AMA would only cover the deductible.I don't know if things have changed since then. As for the test flight, it crashed and didn't make it far enough to hit anything but the ground. Two lessons learned. Check out your insurance and check the CG.
Go Fly it! Butch

Concorde
 

Give Eddie the sticks, at least then it "can" have a shot!


RN

Concorde
 

could the rig hover on its own,hell yes !!!, Let Eddie fly the beast, I'll be more than happy to help fix it if it breaks, (which won't happen , right Eddie ?! :D

Mike

Concorde
 

Jesus, all this talk. If he flies it it may crash. Alot more interesting to talk about what it has under the hood then race it and blow a rod. Do you think that there may be alittle of this in not wanting to fly it?
Eddie weeks plane , however condesending people have been about the way it looks, is the kind of plane you can fly the shi...out of and not worry about if it crashes. You know it's a fifty feet fifty, mile per hour plane. The thrust reversers alone probably cost as much as a entire airplane. I don't think I would want to fly a $50,000.00 airplane on a $300.00 receiver anyway . I wish the radio companies can get out of the dark ages. I'd pay $1000.00 for a better receiver and $5000.00 for a better tranmitter if I thought it would give my plane a better chance of surving interference. I know they have the technology so why don't you think this is a option? Dean

Concorde
 

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Concorde
 

Why go to europe....just through that thing in a trailer and head to canada :-).

Concorde
 

Uhhhh...that could be a problem too.

Dean Wichmann
MAAC Jet Committe Chair

Spruce Duck
 

Its the Spruce Goose of jets (at least that thing got a high speed taxi test, I doubt this thing will ever even roll down the runway).


Richard Newman