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Cato,
You are mistaken as to the origins of the PST kit. The Panther PST is selling was designed by me and Pornchai at PST. We started this project nearly 2 years ago. The plugs and molds were made by us based on our design. The design is not derived from your kit, nor have I ever seen one of your kits. A set of published 3 views and a series of photos of a Panther were used as reference, the airfoils are the same NACA series as used on the original Panther. The design and kit were done from the ground up, and were geared to be used with our 600R engine. I suspect you have not seen our kit, and I am sure your comment was simply an oversight on your part, but it would be helpful to be a bit more careful prior to making such statements.
Regards
Mike Selby

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Cato--You don't know what you are talking about--The new PST Panther kit s NOTHING like your OLD kit--The only thing in common is that they are the same scale....You have sold the rights to your kit to someone else..And the right to criticize...Sorry if this seems harsh....If you had a kit to produce then you MIGHT have a dog in this hunt---Why don't you produce a kit of PST's caliber and THEN you might have a gripe...Put up or shut up...;) In the past, here in the states, for years there have been numerous guys begging for a Panther in the size that you modeled....I, for one, have been one of those guys...PST has done a wonderful job with their Panther...Someday I will own one.[8D] PST's kit is a MUCH more prefabricated kit than your kit ever was..Look at PST's kit on their website...You WILL see a BIG difference!!!

Kevin

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What scale is the PST Panther?

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Terry,
The scale of the Panther is 6.2 to 1.
Mike

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Hello

I am refering (qouting) to the post below that are answering Pantherflyer with picture of the Panther kit beside the Eurofighter. That is a copy of my kit. Regarding the new Panther from PST I dont know anything about since I havent seen it. Anyway, The Panther is a fantastic aircraft to fly. Hope you all enjoy it in the future.

Hope this cleare any missunderstanding in my writhing.

Cato Horten
Norway
http://home.c2i.net/chorten/

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Cato,
Just to be clear if you re-read the post you referred to, it was not put up by PST, and the man specifically says it was not bought from PST. The fuse in the picture bears no resemblence to our kit.
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.
Regards
Mike

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Cato--You don't know what you are talking about--The new PST Panther kit s NOTHING like your OLD kit--The only thing in common is that they are the same scale....You have sold the rights to your kit to someone else..And the right to criticize...Sorry if this seems harsh....If you had a kit to produce then you MIGHT have a dog in this hunt---Why don't you produce a kit of PST's caliber and THEN you might have a gripe...Put up or shut up...;) In the past, here in the states, for years there have been numerous guys begging for a Panther in the size that you modeled....I, for one, have been one of those guys...PST has done a wonderful job with their Panther...Someday I will own one.[8D] PST's kit is a MUCH more prefabricated kit than your kit ever was..Look at PST's kit on their website...You WILL see a BIG difference!!!

Kevin
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hello Kevin
hmmm. who did he sell the rights to? you seem to know it all, when did he sell the rights? Think Cato is surprised to hear this. So Kevin: come with the facts...put up or shut up... like you like to say

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I was referring to the new PST Panther---Which IS what this thread is all about...I KNOW FOR A FACT this this plane is NOT a splash of Cato's plane---Just look at it!!!:eek: When Cato made his accusations he did not specify what plane/picture he was referring to....Anyone reading his post would think that Cato was talking about the new PST Panther....As for the older Panther that Cato was referring to in the picture with the EuroFighter....Who knows if it is a copy of Cato's plane---As far as put up or shut up, I've proven my point that the new PST Panther is not a copy of Cato's Panther---Sorry for being so vocal and harsh but you have to understand that all that responded thought Cato was responding to the new PST Panther..

I misread the original post and stated incorrectly that Cato sold the rights to his Panther.

Kevin

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All i know is that it was sold to me and i was told that it was a pre-production mold of the new PST Panther. I really didnt care who made it or stole it from who, and i still dont. Nick

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Hello again Kevin
In Cato`s first reply he has quoted doc yates, and there it says (version 1) the original. So how you got that to be the newest Panther, well i dont know. There is a PST panther kit(version 1) here in Norway, and Cato recognises his own plane. So the first PST Panther is a copy of the kit that Cato made.

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. So the first PST Panther is a copy of the kit that Cato made.
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And He made a copy of the one that came from Bethpage, Long Island NY
Semper Fi
Joe

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And He made a copy of the one that came from Bethpage, Long Island NY
Semper Fi
Joe
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No you are wrong, Cato build the plug himself from balsa, and then made the moulds, i know because i watched the process and thought he was crazy. So uncljoe, do some research before you make this kind of statement.

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No you are wrong, Cato build the plug himself from balsa, and then made the moulds, i know because i watched the process and thought he was crazy. So uncljoe, do some research before you make this kind of statement.
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Using Nick Ziroli plans, perhaps?????????

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No you are wrong, Cato build the plug himself from balsa, and then made the moulds, i know because i watched the process and thought he was crazy. So uncljoe, do some research before you make this kind of statement.



I do believe that the ORIGINAL came from a design from Grumman Aircraft Corp. Bethpage Long Island ,NY . Scale was 1 to 1 and that Cleveland Plans were available in 1949 althought it was a XF9F 1
Semper Fi
Joe

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Good shot Joe, that was a good one. Nick

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...Good one, Joe!......

Hook.....Line......Ans Sinker! I was going to post something in regard to Bleriot, monoplanes and such but your's is much better!

Tailwinds,

John

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CLOWNS! you got me there. Nice one!

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The so called "PST version 1" Panthers were not made by PST. They were made in Thailand but had nothing to do with PST. PST does not produce or market these Panthers. In addition, the first Panther referred to was not PST's and it was owned by Mr. Rune from Norway.

Rdgs,
Kraivuth S.

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Terry--Ya beat me to it!!!---Kind of funny that the Panther that Mr. Cato accused PST of splashing is exactly the same size as a Ziroli Panther....So---Nick Ziroli does all of the hard work/engineering so that Cato can make a plug, claiming that he did all of the work that someone else stole from him... :eek::D

That new PST Panther is one helluva nice kit---It's on my list of planes to build sometime in the future..... [sm=thumbup.gif] I wonder how many of these are in the states???

Kevin

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Here's one of the PST Panthers ready to fly

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More pictures

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Whoa there, I have no idea where anyone got the idea that I said this was designed by Cato or whomever, I never did. I purchased the palne in Nick's picture from Kraivtuh who works with PST. It is similar to the new PST Panther, but only in size. There are very little similarities past that point. Ipurchased five of these fuses through a bulk deal which I paid to have shipped by boat to me from Thialand. The newer PST Panther I recieved via air freight from Thailand. Don't go putting words in my mouth, I have no idea who designed what, except to say that I have dealt with PST for a few years and they are a very reputable and honorable company. Kraivuth and those he work with have always done what they told me they would do and I have trusted them to do so. The fuse that Nick purchased from me, and a few other RCU members as well, was just that, a fuse with laser formers, canopy and tip tanks, just like I recieved them, for what I paid for them, nothing more, if anything I lost money just to get them here. I was going on what I was told. The fuse will work with Ziroli wing cores, but it is not a Ziroli design, I know beacuse I have one of those as well, and the formers are not the same.
I used the term "version 1", but should not have, too bad on my part, and I apologize to PST and any others for doing it. Obviously I miscommunicated something in the translation over the past months.
Tommy

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

The first PST Panther kit has arrived in Australia for review in RCJI. Just spent some time unpacking it and got some initial impressions. The quality is up there with the very, very best, and the prefabrication is way ahead of anything I have seen. As an enthusiastic user of PST engines which have behaved to perfection for me, ( power on demand) , I have to conclude that this first kit is entirely in keeping with PST's engine quality. Landing gear is top quality and cockpit "tub" more than convincing.

Full review of the kit to follow in RCJI.

Regards, David Gladwin.

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Now had some time to take a close look at this kit and do the photography for RCJI :

Mouldings are top quality, no air bubbles just under the gelcoat unlike some. Joins very good indeed. Layup strength and CF reinforcement looks perfect.

Everything seems to be already installed in the fuselage which has laser cut wood components. Glue joints excellent. Quite exeptional completeness.

Wings excellent and even the holes and slots for the hinges are predone. Control surfaces are finished ready to install.

Gear doors speedbrakes and flaps are supplied but installation is upto the builder, its really the only "construction " work.

Double walled tailpipe is first class.

If there is a "piece de resistance" in this kit its the gear and wheels, absolutely gorgeous engineering as one would expect from PST who make such lovely engines. Wheels are VERY scale, quite superb. Never seen ANY gear with less "slop" in the moving parts. Scissor links are very taut.

Instruction manual is supplied on a CD and is 36 pages long, NOTHING is left to the imagination. and as far as I can see, before assmbling th kit, virtually every accessory is supplied.

Having seen the US price this kit is extraordinary value.

I have never really been a Panther/ Cougar fan but it is beginning to really attract me not least because the landing gear is installed in the fusleage which means it can travel on its wheels and assembly at the field will be dead simple, like the BobCat.

PST have an absolute winner here, lets hope it is the first of many kits from them.

Regards,

David Gladwin.

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Hi David,
Thanks for your comments on the Panther, we really appreciate it. We look forward to your comments when you fly the plane.
Regards
Mike Selby
PST

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Any idea what the "european" price is for the Panther?
If I am correct, I am not seeing any price on their listed european agent's website

Reuben

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David,
Is there any possibility of photos of the wheels/gear?
Thanks,
JA

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Hi Johnny,

Here's a photo of the gear and wheels from the Panther I'm building. Its one of PST's preproduction kits, but I don't believe there were any further refinements made to the gear so this should be accurate with what's being shipped now.

Thanks,
Kelly

PS: Happy Father's Day guys!

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

There are more pictures and information on www.pstna.com and www.pstjets.com

The landing gear set is very complete including Hydraulic Brake which can easily be fitted for air system, if preferred.

In addition, David's Panther is the current production batch and PSTNA should have them in stock by July. Panther is availalble thru our current dealers so please contact them for more information. The Panther manual is included in PST e-Manual CD and we will get it up for download soon. The file is quite large since there are more than 150 colored pictures.

Rdgs,
Kraivuth S.

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That's great news. I"m on the list at PST North America for a Panther and the wait is unbearable[sm=crying.gif]

Don't forget me Dean!!!


Wayne

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Dear Reuben.
We are the Scandinavia agents for PST JETS. The price for PST Panther ARF, delivered here less local VAT, is approx. 1.250,- Euro. The price to you should be somewhat less, but of course with any local taxes your end in addition. Hope this helps!
Richard Blindheim
RCFLIGHT
Oslo
http://www.rc-flight.com

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Any Idea when this kit will be available in the US?
Dom

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Helijet will have the Panthers very soon. The shipment was sent about a month ago via ocean freight. Rush order via airfreight can be arranged thru Helijet. Sorry that the Panther is takng so long to reach the USA.

B777

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Are the panthers in stock now?

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Hello WD40, Dean at Helijet will have the Panthers very soon. Panthers are in stock at PST Jets Thailand and available for those who need rush orders and willing to pay the extra airfreight cost which is, unfortunately, approx US$300-400 from Bangkok to the USA, Europe, or Australia.

B777

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Can you please list the web links to your us distributors?
Thanks!!
Dom

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www.pstna.com or www.pstjets.com or www.greatnorthernmodels.com

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Hi Guys!

Sorry for not responding earlier. Just returned from the Maple Flag jet rally in northern Alberta, Canada.

Update! Our super scaled out reference Panther is completed. For customers that wish to have close ups of how the inner doors, sppedbrakes, plumbing etc is done we will be able to supply detailed photos. Our demo model ( Blue Tail ) is almost ready to fly and will undergo flight testing shortly. We added some laser cuts parts and some minor assembly jigs to the North American kits to speed up construction. 10 kits have just arrived in port and we expect them in our shop within the next 7 - 10 days. Kits are available on a limited basis at the moment until regular monthly stock begins arriving. We will have all this info on our site www.pstna.com around July 18. Ed at Great Northern Models will be able to provide east coast customers kits, parts and support.

Considerable engineering, planning and testing have gone into this model to assure a high level of success. We thank you for your patience. We are confident you will be pleased with the final result.

Thank you
Dean Wichmann
www.pstna.com

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Does anyone know if the Robart gear for the Ziroli Panther will work for the PST airframe with little/no modification?

RE: NEW PST F9F PANTHER
 

Yes,you can use the Robart Panther gear.

Regards
Dean W.
www.pstna.com