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jetpilot 11-28-2002 05:18 AM

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tamjets 11-28-2002 05:29 AM

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Scott,
That is a nice job.
Your smoke system is ready. Call me early friday so I can mail it out to you.
Brg,
Tam

Kevin_W 11-28-2002 06:31 AM

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:eek:
Holy Crap Scott!!!!

I never knew you had that much patience. :D

I hope you will still be willing to fly that beauty when it is finished.
It looks GREAT!!


Speaking of flying, if the weather permits (above 60F, winds below 20) this saturday I am hoping to go again this Saturday, Let me know if you can make it.

sideshow 11-28-2002 04:35 PM

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Scott, I am not a huge fan of the F-100.....but yours is stunning! The rivet detail is incredible, you should be very proud of your work. It makes me want to try my hand at some riveting....on the bottom of the wings first!:) It's just beautiful.

Bob

SECRET AGENT 11-28-2002 11:32 PM

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Scott, OK, enough is enough, we all know you went down to the Air Museum and took a bunch of pictures of a full-size F-100 and cut and pasted them in your house, you aren't fooling anyone!!

HA :D

Great Job!!! Can't wait to see it in person. Wish I had your patience! See ya.

Mike

lov2flyrc 11-29-2002 02:27 AM

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Stunning...Yep, there is a word that can describe it! Simply awesome Scott! I would be too afraid to fly it ;)

Please keep us updated, would love to see some finished pics.

Regards,
Todd

jetpilot 11-29-2002 02:50 AM

thanks
 
Thanks alot for the positive feedback. It feels good to be pat on back after alot of hard work. This is my first REAL effort at a scale finish. This took about a week of evenings. All the research has been paying off. I still have other side and wings and stabs. I would estimate about 5,000 rivits so far. I am an amatuer at scale finish, but I feel I'm getting some professional results. Thank God for Flite Metal because I can't paint and these rivits look great on it. The more I work on this the more I really want to scale it out. This might end up taking another couple of months If I decide to do everything I've been thinking about.
Kevin,
I might be able to fly SAT. I'll talk to you before then.
Tam,
Call you tomorrow.
Bob,
Get one of those Top Flight scale templates. It helps alot for rivits. Give it a shot. Im actually using a brass T fitting for the majority of the rivits. It seems to give the right effect and its easy to hold.
Mike,
Get that F16 built. Im ready to do some formation flying with you. Whats for power on the Avonds?
Scott Marr

microjet 11-29-2002 07:18 AM

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Scott, The F-100 looks sweet, can't wait to fly-it, oh I mean can't wait to see you fly it. Looks good man keep up the good work. Later Joey Tamez

SaleenPITA 11-29-2002 10:12 AM

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Damn I'm jealous! What technique did you use for the rivets and panel lines?

Regards,
Mike

jetmaven 11-30-2002 01:44 AM

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does anyone know why metalcoat shows up as a gold color when you take a digital pic of it. the same thing happened to me

Kevin Greene 11-30-2002 02:50 AM

Digital Pics
 
Jetmaven,

It's all in the lighting. Notice in Scott's pics that where the flash bounced back into the camera the reflection of the surrounding Metal Coat is silver. The flash is a very white light. His overall ambient light is probably incandescent. Fluorescent bulbs come in cool white, daylight, soft white, and etc. Cool white fluorescents usually show up as a greenish light. The remainder of the fluorescents that I listed will show up as amber. The pros will use a very white light in conjunction with silver or white backed reflectors. The auxilary flash units used to spread the flash out to a larger area are also reflected by silver or white reflectors. The walls in a photo studio are also colored to give off a certain color of reflection. If you want it to show up as silver then move the model to an all white room and use the whitest light that you can find easily. (Halogen) This should help.

I'm not a pro but an amature photographer. The real pros could probably add more to this....Kevin

PS---Scott, your airplane is becoming a work of art!!! I can't wait to see it in person. Kevin

Kevin Greene 11-30-2002 03:18 AM

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Jetmaven,

I left out something....With "regular" film photography you can purchase filters to add or take away color, as well as provide special effects. I don't know if filters are available for digi cameras---Just taking a guess I would think that they would be......

Kevin

SECRET AGENT 11-30-2002 04:04 AM

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Scotty, you gonna give BV a run for his money at Top Gun? ;)

I think my F-16 will be finished quicker than your F-100 because mine won't look nearly as "real" as yours. I'm going with the BMT power in mine, can't wait.

Keep up the good work, but remember the saying when it comes to "scale", "you never finish, you just stop!" :D

Kevin_W 11-30-2002 05:34 AM

Lighting
 

use the whitest light that you can find easily. (Halogen) This should help.
Kevin,
Actually halogen lamps are very orange ( most around 3200 kelvin). Daylight is actually blue (about 5,000 kelvin), most flashbulbs are daylight balanced.

Jetmaven,

The other Kevin is mostly correct though, the "gold" reflections you are seeing are more than likely caused by the metalcote reflecting the household lights which are tungsten (orange), most of the foreground in the picture is iluminated by the flashbulb on the camera which is more blue.
Video cameras (and digital still cameras) have to be "white balanced", which simply stated is an adjustment so that the camera corrects the color of the light to show as "white" (or no color at all). Most digital still cameras do this automatically, but some can be set to manual white balance.

If you were to set one of these cameras to manual, do the color balance in daylight, then move indoors (without changing the white balnce) and take all of your pictures under tungsten lighting they will all come out looking very orange. Vice-versa if you were to color balnce indoors under tungsten and then shoot pictures outdoors, all of your shots will be very blue.

The automatic white balance systems work quite well on these cameras most of the time, but as you noticed they cannot compensate when there are two light sources that are widely seperated in the color spectrum.

This is also a problem with film cameras, except instead of white balancing you simply choose film that is balanced for daylight or tungsten. The problem of different colored light sources still exists though.

In the motion picture business (in which I worked for over 16 years) we spend a lot of money and time to make sure that all of the lights that are illuminating a shot are all the correct color.

I can suggest some movies to rent if you would like to see some examples of poor color correction. Although, none that I have worked on of course. :D

jetmaven 11-30-2002 05:13 PM

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thanks for the info on the lighting / digi cam question. i had the same problem under a standard tungsten filament bulb.

FliteMetal 11-30-2002 10:10 PM

Looking better all the time.
 
Hi Scott:

Your Flite-Metal application is looking better and better. Glad you took my advice and laid off it for a week or so. Flite-Metal can in some ways become too much of a good thing:^) Customers get a little carried away sometimes...literally!

Your rivet detail is looking nice. You're beginning to give Joe Grice a run on the title for my most excessive compulsive customer. Are you ready to announce which of the schemes you are going to replicate?

As for the goldish tone. That's two things...digital abarations from a white balance that's being driven nuts by the blue white of the camera's flash unit and a red shift source in the room...probably a regular incidescent light in the room.

Looking forward to adding your F-100 images to the Flite-Metal customer aircraft section when its finished. I still think you could have converted it to an F model easily... :^) The El Paso F-100 is one heck of a scheme!

Later,

Kevin Greene 12-01-2002 07:02 PM

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Kevin W.,

Thanks for the clarification concerning the bulbs!!! The halogens were the least expensive bulb that I could think of. When I was working for R/C Report magazine I had a room in the house (office) that was all white so that I could avoid the orange looking pics. Filters helped as well as borrowing auxilary flash units with silver reflectors from a friend. This digital thing (for me) is a whole new ballgame!!!

Scott,

You say that you can't paint.....Then who did the beautiful job on your BobCat?!? I've seen this plane and the paint job is very nice!!!

Kevin

jetpilot 12-01-2002 10:19 PM

paint
 
Thats Jack Holland's work. It would be even better if I hadnt messed it up real good before i sent it to him. One of the days I will learn to paint.
Scott

rc4mike 12-02-2002 03:17 AM

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That's Joey's Bobcat!!!! I have seen him in more pictures thatn Scott, so it must be so.

Scott, you missed a good day today. Five more flights on the Cat. Just need a new nose gear body to replace the one I broke on the first landing. Kevin and I did some major rigging to get it back in the air for a few more flights. Tell you about it later.


Mike J

k_sonn 12-02-2002 10:19 PM

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Scott:

I talked to you back in July when you were applying the Flite Metal. You asked me about the rivets I had applied on my P-47 and thought that it would be a lot of work. It likes like you took the plunge and you did a magnificent job I might add. I commend you on a job well done. Keep up the good work.

FliteMetal 05-27-2003 09:06 PM

Finished Photos
 
Hi Scott:

Was looking forward to receiving a set of digital finished photos to post on the web site. Have you ever done a photo walkaround of your finished 100?

Ed


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