Airliners
 

HI all, I'm looking for a large airliner kit, maybe 2 P80's.Something bigger than the PCM L1011. Anyone got any info.
A little smaller than the pic.
Thanks Rcpete

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Pete,

I've been looking into that as well and as far as I can find, there are no complete kits for something like this. However, Norbert Rauch makes semi-kits for a lot of popular airlines and they are the basis of many of the models that the builder of the A380 in your photo started with. You can find Norbert's website here:

http://rauch-airliner.com/Introduction.htm

If you send him an email, he answers right up. His kits include the fiberglass parts, i.e., the nose, tail, and nacelles. You can get the foam cores for the wings and tail cut by TDL Model Systems:

http://www.tdlmodels.com/

I've talked to them as well and they can CNC cut cores for any of Norbert's models.

The down sides are 1) its going to cost you about $1000 for the fiberglass and foam parts only. Then you have to buy all of the wood, etc., so putting together a "kit" will probably run into the $2000 range. 2) There are no directions, no plans, no nothing, so you'll have to engineer everything yourself including the turbine mounts, landing gear mounts, how the wings mount to the fuselage, all of it. 3) From what I've read, most of his models are more like P-60 sized than P-80 sized, but you'd have to check with Norbert to see how big the nacelles are.

The up side is that you'd for sure have a model that nobody else has!

Bob

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There are other sources for the foam parts which are much more affordable. I have the Rauch 727 semi ket (fiberglass parts and plans), and I had the foam parts cut for me by one of Rauch's "suppliers_ (Koster, I believe). They are fantastic and cost me around $300 shipped (less than half the price quoted to me by TDL). The landing gear was purchased from HAWE, another germany manufacturer and they are superb. All together the parts cost around $1300 USD, and I am still left with purchasing the wood. These aircraft are large and he does leave somethings for your own ingenuity, so I would suggest having some building experience before tackling them. I have several videos from the European pilots of these big jets and they are really fantastic and look great in the air. Would love to see someone kit one of these things in a big fiberglass fuselage, it would make it much easier to build.
Good luck
Tommy

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Single P-200 OK ??

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13 ft DC-10, twin turbine?

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Like this one... 12 foot 2 x 28 lbs

Eddie

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The Rauch airliners are a great place to start with something this large vs from scratch with only a 3 view and 144th scale model.
At least thats what I told myself when I sent a wire to Germany and 3 weeks later the parts were delivered for My MD-80.
I plan to include robart 630 retracts, robostruts, tamjets wheels w/brakes, Wren 44 gold turbines and as much scale detail as I can get built.
What I am starting with is just like Bob says the nose, tail and nacelles and a small drawing (in German) with dimensions for locating just the basics.
Not shown but should be added to the instructions are the LE & TE stock, landing gear bracing, hinge locations, hatches, servo and radio placement, component location, just like a scratch build you deside where everything is going. I wouldn't recommend one if your an ARF flyer there is going to be some dust in the ol workshop building one of these but if you have ever tackled a Ziroli or TF design this will be a piece of cake. I love the moldless construction for the fuse center section and flying surfaces. Getting a hotwire cutter is way less expensive than paying someone else to cut a few pieces of EPS for you. I was astounded that TdL had quoted me between 450 and 700 to cut this kits foam parts with the CNC machine. I don't claim to know how to program one of those machines but the non CNC hotwire setup cost under $50 usd and the foam was half of that! I spend a day making templates and drilling holes in them for nails, thats the only advantage CNC would have it doesn't leave nail holes. I can live with them heck they will give the epoxy some more bite anyway! here are some of the 30 seats I just finished cutting with the hotwire complete with overhead storage bins and a cargo bay.
I'll be happy to e-mail more if anyone is interested. Here is a Rauch A330 flown with a pair of P-80's, his videos are on the center of the page and more construction photos too.
http://www.mes-avions-rc.net/PagesGB/GBvideos.htm

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I don't suppose you could post a little bit bigger picture, Please????

Oh.....and more as you go, looking good.

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Here is any more details on the Falcon 7X ... Video, pics ?

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Available in 2007
FALCON 7X
for single 16 to 20 kg (36 - 45 lbs.) thrust jet engine

Designed by Francis Laurens for Aviation Design




Model :
Falcon 7X



You like airliners or bizjets, you like large model, very large model, .... you will love our new Falcon 7X

The Falcon 7 X is the new buisness jet from Dassault Aviation. It is the largest model from the french company with the long range capability.

The Aviation Design 1/7 scale Falcon 7X was designed by Francis Laurens, Dassault Aviation employee at Istres flying test center. Using Catia CAD drawings, Mr Laurens made a superb plug and toolings from the most beautiful bizjet from Dassault.




Scale
1/7


Span
3.80 m
150’’

Lenght
3.50 m
138’’

Weight
31.0 kg
69 lbs

Turbine
AMT Pegasus, Jet Cat P160, Simjet Nexus

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Sure Terry I just figured out where the picture button is.
Here is the left half of the fuse just cut waiting for the balsa planks.

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Peter Michel sells ARF Concorde kits. Two P80s would be a good choice for this plane.
The price is 3950 Euros plus 890 Euros for the landing gear.
4840 Euros, thats approx. 6200 US-$.

Peter's website: [link=http://www.michel-concorde.de]www.michel-concorde.de[/link]

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Tankyouveddymuch! Looks much better when I can see it. You gonna detail those seats with people you can see thru the windows? That would be Kool!

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Rcpete . . .
If you pm me, I might, repeat might, be able to swing factory drawings that shows everything necessary for building of a DC-9 or DC10 model, any series, printed to the wingspan your looking for. No promises, but the odds are good.

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Mike , like these http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_46...tm.htm#4614038 Post #13

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Terry I don't have any plans to make people other than flight crew. With windows 1/2 x 3/4" they won't have much to see I just don't want a hole where an interior should be.
In some areas there will be fuel tanks, air, the R/C stuff most of those window shades will be closed or partly closed I may leave a couple open to check fuel level.

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I'm talking good old factory stuff. Not typical 3 views. That blue print one Butch is kind of close, but I think I still might be able to find a whole bunch more!

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How can I get a Rouch catalog?

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[link]http://rauch-airliner.com/[/link]

Here is my current project, 747-200 and my previous KC-10

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scraper, nice planes! what scale are they done in?

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There's a thread about an Airbus built from a Rauch semi-kit.
Look at
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4619373/tm.htm]www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4619373/tm.htm[/link]

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Hi Pete, you can have my twin RTF Fokker 100 cheap if you want to have it shipped from the UK ;) This is petty unique I think and as far as I know the only model one flying worldwide.

Uploaded low res flying vids here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySczA6R_BsA

and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdAw2Dp4n0

Second much longer clip includes an eventful landing with one flameout on approach.

Rob.

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Hi Pete,

Its nice to know that you want airliner too now, i never thought airliners would impress you to the point that you would want to have one.

PM Mike Emilio he has lots of Cad drawings for all Douglas and Boeing aircrafts, i bet ya he even would have drawing for L-1011 also, he is great guy to deal with, very friends honest and stright to the point, you won't be dissapointed from his service. Ranch is another option to look into, least you can get short kits from one of him and get other structural drawings through Mike...

Now if you do airliner then you and Eicas would be two guys in Ontario to have turbine airliners, i don't know if you already know or not but i am also doing 1/14th scale model of Super Constelltion L-1049G, its either going to be in TCA colors or PIA colors, i haven't decided that yet. check out Scratch built section, you will see it there...


Regards,
Sammy

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Iv'e been getting a lot of pm's from guys looking for these airliner drawings.
I went hunting and I guess there's around 20 or so drawings that can be had for the DC-9 and DC-10.
All the right stuff for building a model.
Some are pretty big, "C" size and "D" size. Some are in good shape, others are kind of beat-up and rugged. I don't think Kinko's will do 42" paper. Anyways, for those that sent me pm's, give me time to figure out the best way to do this.

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This is maybe half of the DC-9 collection. Each one is a drawing size of 2 x 3 ft. Times 14 sheets would come to over 84 sq ft of paper! And there's still more! I'd have to mortgage my house to satisfy all the pm's that I got but Kinko's would love it!

If these don't print out for you I guess another option might be to make some sort of "reduced" master with everything on one 3 x 3 sheet of paper as opposed to a bunch of individual 2 x 3 sheets. But now we're taking printing costs, a bunch of envelopes and postage. But it's a heck of alot of design info if someone is serious about building one.

The second half of the DC9 collection, maybe 10 more or so, would take time because they are in need of restoration work.

For the guys that sent pm's, is this the kind of stuff you were after?