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dbarrym 01-18-2008 02:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamjets
Barry,
EDF is even more friendly user. No need for turbine waiver and like you said. Some club are not turbine friendly and fire risk season. EDF is a choice to have.....

To the point I'm too lazy to carry all the turbine equipment to the field. I just bring my plane to the field with 4-5 set of batteries and Tx. Plug-n-play babe...

:D:D:D
I hear you...though big E-power has it's own equipment costs and hassles. For a weekend of contest flying I need to bring two, 40 lb each, $100 each (used) Cat D-9 batteries to get through 8 flights (12s5000 x 2 per flight with 2 sets of batts), AND/or bring a small, $800, 1.5KW gas power generator (and fuel jug) to power the two $250 each, 12VDC, 10A capable battery chargers plus two sets of $75 charge balancers, and a $150 E-meter to monitor everything...plus the two, $100 each, 10A, AC-DC converters for charging at home. :)

Barry

PS - Tam, if I am nice to Daddy and bring some green bottle, does that make me a "friendly user"?? (I LOVE tamglish) :D

tamjets 01-18-2008 03:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: dbarrym



ORIGINAL: tamjets
Barry,
EDF is even more friendly user. No need for turbine waiver and like you said. Some club are not turbine friendly and fire risk season. EDF is a choice to have.....

To the point I'm too lazy to carry all the turbine equipment to the field. I just bring my plane to the field with 4-5 set of batteries and Tx. Plug-n-play babe...

:D:D:D
I hear you...though big E-power has it's own equipment costs and hassles. For a weekend of contest flying I need to bring two, 40 lb each, $100 each (used) Cat D-9 batteries to get through 8 flights (12s5000 x 2 per flight with 2 sets of batts), AND/or bring a small, $800, 1.5KW gas power generator (and fuel jug) to power the two $250 each, 12VDC, 10A capable battery chargers plus two sets of $75 charge balancers, and a $150 E-meter to monitor everything...plus the two, $100 each, 10A, AC-DC converters for charging at home. :)

Barry

PS - Tam, if I am nice to Daddy and bring some green bottle, does that make me a "friendly user"?? (I LOVE tamglish) :D

LOMO....
Louis the XIII even more friendly......Hieu finish my.[:@]

afterburner 01-18-2008 03:08 PM

RE: Awesome E-Power Jet
 


ORIGINAL: dbarrym

Great to read - and IMHO, large EDF's DO belong here in the jet forums (But please leave the toys - GWS, Kyosho, E-flite airliners, etc - in the electric forums. ;) )

Just a general comment on the E-jets from a "typical" jet jockey/consumer... I am very happy to see the growth in performance and availability of quality, large-sized EDF's. While I do fly some E-power (up to and including a 33% YAK in Electric IMAC competition), I still prefer turbines for the sound, smell, and uniqueness factor.

But if my experience is typical - turbines are limited to flying in the late fall, winter, and early spring at my home field, and banned at pretty much every other easily accessible field in my area - EDF's are here to stay. So I'll have at least one or two decent sized EDF's to fly the rest of the year. Now if battery technology can just accelerate a bit more to allow us to 'hot pump' so that we can get more than four, 6 minute flights in a whole flying day (with two sets of $750 batteries)... :)

Last, with each 8-10 minute turbine flight now costing about $10 in fuel (kero is $7/gallon, oil at $15/quart, I get 5 flights out of my 5 gallon Jersey Modeler)..plus another $3.00 or so in maintenance reserve ($350 average service cost every 125 flights, if you follow JetCat's recommended interval, with 12 minutes on the clock per flight)...totalling $13 per turbine flight...and in my own experience, large LiPo's managed well but flown aggressively will fade (deteriorate) and need replacement after 100 or so flights.... the cost per large EDF flight is actually cheaper than turbines (ignoring fixed and start-up costs) . Might be interesting to do a full cost of ownership/lifetime analysis. :)

Barry


Kero is $7.00 a gallon and oil is 15.00 a quart? Must be those California taxes and surcharges on everything but don't worry. Once they take control over your home thermostats, you'll be saving lots of money on cooling your home and it won't hurt so much filling up the kero jug:D. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Marty

Bob_B 01-18-2008 03:12 PM

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There's NO free lunch to either power system.
At my local field we have 110 outlets that I plug my $200.00 :) power supply into.

I guess we're lucky paying just $2.99 for kero locally.

dbarrym 01-18-2008 03:26 PM

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Bob, Jet-A is over $4/gallon here and most local FBO's will no longer sell to us (some homeland security thing - must be pumped into a plane, apparently), even if I show them my models, and even my PPL.... so we buy Kleen Strip K-1 kero at Home Depot...it's $8.90 for a 1 gallon jug (!) and $38 for a 5 gallon pail. Since I buy 5-10 gallons every weekend, I've been waiting for someone there to call me on it. ;) Even worse, they only carry it in the winter time.

No one sells K-1 by the gallon from a pump here unless you go way out into the boonies. So I have 50 gallons in 5 gallon pails stacked up in the garage. Got a match, anyone? [X(]

I mail order Aeroshell 500 from The Oil Store, if you amortize the $12/can cost with shipping on a case, it's close to $15/can.

Trust me, I hate adding it all up. As my wife pointed out, why whine about the fuel cost when we have $5k-8K+ in the entire plane... :eek:

Barry

Bob_B 01-18-2008 03:37 PM

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Hey Barry at least she's not whining about price of the jets :)

pattratt 01-18-2008 03:43 PM

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Hey Bob

Sounded Great!

My Agressor conversion is completed and I am now waiting for Tower to return my 12FGA FASST TX. I originally had it set up with my 9ZAP but had concerns with the Range check even utilizing the BVM recommended RF Chokes. It probably would have been OK but this gives me a good opportunity to check the new FASST system in a very "harsh" enviorment before putting it in the Yellow F-15. I hope it sounds as good as the one in the video! Bye the way did you get the new check?

Bob_B 01-18-2008 03:49 PM

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Yes I did, Thanks

Gordito Volador 01-18-2008 08:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: uncljoe

Bob
Yes returning to the Lightside :D
Building a BVM F4 using the BVM EDF units, hope to have it finished by Fentress Va Jets (end of May)
Semper fi
Joe
A ripple in the force?[X(]

Regards, Bill

GreenAcre 01-18-2008 09:08 PM

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NICE!! I saw that Hornet in the latest RCJI. I am sure I WILL end up getting one.. HEHE Even sound like a turbine. SAAAAAAAWEEEET!!

seanreit 01-19-2008 03:05 AM

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Barry, didn't know you had it that bad on the Kero, those 5 gallon pails go on sale here in February March at our local Home depots for about 10 bucks a 5 gallon. Couple of years ago the austin gang bought 105 of them or something like that. I ran out of my supply sometime last August. I do have a very local source, but $4.00 and change per gallon. It does get expensive fo sure $$$$$

When I think of all the cracked out ho's I could have been spending that money on [:@] Oh well, I did get to see Doug Arnold's butt one year [sm=what_smile.gif]

tamjets 01-19-2008 03:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: seanreit

Barry, didn't know you had it that bad on the Kero, those 5 gallon pails go on sale here in February March at our local Home depots for about 10 bucks a 5 gallon. Couple of years ago the austin gang bought 105 of them or something like that. I ran out of my supply sometime last August. I do have a very local source, but $4.00 and change per gallon. It does get expensive fo sure $$$$$

When I think of all the cracked out ho's I could have been spending that money on [:@] Oh well, I did get to see Doug Arnold's butt one year [sm=what_smile.gif]

I also bought over 150 gallons at Home Depot when it on sale $18 for 5 gallons can.
Even I fly electric almost every weeken. We still burn 5 gallon in the A-4 and F-16 every week. Kero is very expensive in California if had to buy full retail price. If we taking a Super Hornet out nfor a spin. Double the fuel.
Nothing is cheap in this hobby. Either paid or fly your simulator..

tamjets 01-20-2008 12:49 AM

RE: Awesome E-Power Jet
 
Today put on second flight on my new A-4. I had little cooling prblem with the Kontronik Power Jazz ESC.
But other than that. Everything perfect. The batteries temperture 115-120F. The flight only took 3900mAh. That including taxi and motor cooling.
Here is the video we took today.
E-power is not any slower compare to turbine.
http://www.rcuvideos.com/item/M7BX0V9BLC49KBZD


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